[GT] 2024 US Election

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Israel issue is a stupid hill to die on. The US will never ever stop supporting Israel regardless of party.

So it doesn't matter which party you vote for on this issue then?

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Again, it's pretty depressing that 7 states get to decide the outcome of elections for the other 43. Such a dumb, antiquated system that just makes no sense whatsoever in today's America.

Trump is going to win the popular vote. You know what I think is a dumb, antiquated system? The first past the post system where Ontario gets to pick our government with a bunch of people who win between 30-40% of the vote in their ridings.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Refusing to break with the administration over Israel/Palestine absolutely hurt them, too, IMO. It seems like she did horrible with Arab voters in swing states.

The response to this is "But Trump is worse!" Okay, but we're dealing with a lot of low-propensity voters here, who may not be all that tuned in to Trump's stance on Israel, but they know for damn sure what Biden's is.

Yeah, you would think at least putting some distance between the candidate and a President with an approval rating in the 30s would have been a good idea, but I guess the campaign staff disagreed. Given that a lot of them were inherited from Biden and were responsible for trying to maintain the facade that he was capable of being President for four more years, it's probably not surprising that they have the absolute worst political instincts.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Looking forward 2028 will be wild. Open nominations on both sides. Probably will be Vance versus ??? What direction does the Democrats take?

You're assuming there will actually be a fair election in 2028. I admire your optimism.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So it doesn't matter which party you vote for on this issue then?

Has it ever ?

Trump put in a Muslim ban. The same people turned around and voted form him. Just like the latinos.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

... And he isn't!?

Kamala might be unlikeable. Better vote for Trump.

[MonaTone]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Looking forward 2028 will be wild. Open nominations on both sides. Probably will be Vance versus ??? What direction does the Democrats take?

They will 25th amendment trump before then, restrict voting rights further and who knows what else they will do with their new supreme Court justices after Alito and Thomas retire.

It is very realistic this is the last election we recognize as democratic in the US.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Again, it's pretty depressing that 7 states get to decide the outcome of elections for the other 43. Such a dumb, antiquated system that just makes no sense whatsoever in today's America.

This would be a more salient point if he weren't also leading the popular vote — although, if that same standard applied in 2016, he'd have lost the first time around and never would've stuck around as their default nominee this long.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I predicted that the US just wasn't ready for a female president when Kamala got the nomination, and sadly that looks to be still accurate. They would rather vote for a convicted rapist/felon than a woman, their hate for the XX chromosome seems only slightly less than the Taliban at this moment. It's too bad the Democrats didn't learn a single ####ing thing from 2016, if Shapiro or Walz is at the top of the ticket it would have likely been a blue wave

Probably, but remember that Harris was unlikable in the Primaries, and it seems it carried on in the election.



If the Dems could have convinced Biden not to run earlier they could have chosen a candidate that was um better.

[trackercowe]

Does this mean having Jason Aldean's support matter more than Swift and Eminem?

[calgarygeologist]

A big issue Harris had was also not being able to disassociate from Biden and answer how she would be different. Voters, especially the swing voters, wanted a change and she didn't offer it. I can give her a pass on failing to answer that question the first time it came up but I think she got asked the same question at least four more times on the national stage and she failed every single time. She should have been coached and prepared after being caught off guard the first time.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Again, it's pretty depressing that 7 states get to decide the outcome of elections for the other 43. Such a dumb, antiquated system that just makes no sense whatsoever in today's America.

Well ina close election it has to come down to something. So the 7 closest states decide it. That seems OK to me?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Looking forward 2028 will be wild. Open nominations on both sides. Probably will be Vance versus ??? What direction does the Democrats take?

As long as an actual democracy still exists in 2028

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Looking forward 2028 will be wild. Open nominations on both sides. Probably will be Vance versus ??? What direction does the Democrats take?

It will be the most important election of our lifetimes.

[CaptainCrunch]

This would be a more salient point if he weren't also leading the popular vote — although, if that same standard applied in 2016, he'd have lost the first time around and never would've stuck around as their default nominee this long.

Shockingly he's approaching Obama levels in the popular vote, thats a stunner.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Um know that you mention that, well yes, for the memes if it only lasts 3 or 4 weeks.

This poster does not represent the east coast lol. For all the military talk and what WW2 was fought about, sounds like a russian bot who just wants people to suffer so he can laugh.

The East coast remembers world war 1, and the ports. Not all of them are the drunk uncle who forget.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Probably, but remember that Harris was unlikable in the Primaries, and it seems it carried on in the election.



If the Dems could have convinced Biden not to run earlier they could have chosen a candidate that was um better.

Maybe but they kind of made their bed when the chose her as VP. Even in a runoff, she'd have a huge advantage

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, you would think at least putting some distance between the candidate and a President with an approval rating in the 30s would have been a good idea, but I guess the campaign staff disagreed. Given that a lot of them were inherited from Biden and were responsible for trying to maintain the facade that he was capable of being President for four more years, it's probably not surprising that they have the absolute worst political instincts.

Yeah, the autopsy on this campaign is going to be fascinating for political nerds. She was polling into landslide territory when she was harping on Republicans being weird and promoting policy ideas like putting a cap on grocery costs.

Then she made this bizarre pivot post-convention where her policy ideas sounded like they were birthed in the worst neoliberal think tanks. They also went to the well too many times with the whole "threat to democracy" message.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

A big issue Harris had was also not being able to disassociate from Biden and answer how she would be different. Voters, especially the swing voters, wanted a change and she didn't offer it. I can give her a pass on failing to answer that question the first time it came up but I think she got asked the same question at least four more times on the national stage and she failed every single time. She should have been coached and prepared after being caught off guard the first time.

I remember in a couple of interviews they gave her that chance, and she stated that she wouldn't change a thing.



Then later she wanted to turn the page on the the past, which included her as Vice President.


Throughout this campaign she offered very little clarity.

[Hackey]

Kamala, Cardi-B, J-Lo. What a dream team.