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Old 11-05-2024, 09:37 AM   #181
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Interesting framing ... "You seem to see a lot of overreaction and emotion where there is very little, I tend to see very little."

So what you see is correct. Gotcha.
Generally, yes.

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But all this is mute.

I didn't say there was a lot of anything in this topic. Just pointed out that the guy should be good to provide something he heard without having to defend it.
Which would be pretty unique since 90% of this forum is discussion or debate, which both include questioning what someone has heard or challenging their opinion… like you did… and I did… and we all do…

I just think it’s interesting to see what you pick to jump in on. I would say every single game thread, post game thread, oot thread, and basically any thread about any players gets spicier than this one.

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Um, rude? You’re not getting a first date with that attitude mister.
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Old 11-05-2024, 09:43 AM   #182
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Sure, there can be speculation about his innocence. And no, people don’t have it figured out.

But you just basically dropped “a friend of a friend of a friend says Dube says he’s innocent” when his lawyer said as much however many months ago, which is a very large part of why this is going to trial at all. Literally everyone knows Dube is claiming he’s innocent.

How were you expecting people to react? How can people react better to meet whatever your needs were from sharing this “insider” information?
Just put the fries in the bag man.
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So you were hoping (and still hopeful) for a pat on the back for saying that a guy who plead not-guilty thinks he’s innocent?

Great job little buddy! You did it! If Dube is found not guilty regardless of whether he did it, you’re going to be the real hero!

Is that closer to what you wanted?
Just imagine for a second having this conversation in person, and speaking like that. How incredibly stupid you would sound. It reads here the same way that would sound.

I imagine you’re quite young and likely use this platform to portray some sort of alter ego, but it’s a touch strange.

I came here to share information I heard. I stated it may not even be true (obviously), but definitely thought it was share-worthy.

I leave here now looking forward to the potential of Dube being PROVEN (not just getting off) innocent just so I can come back in here to rehash this conversation.
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Old 11-05-2024, 10:22 AM   #184
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Why is the Trial Date so far out for a crime that happened so long ago?
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Old 11-05-2024, 10:26 AM   #185
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Why is the Trial Date so far out for a crime that happened so long ago?
Because our justice system is so back logged due to poor government funding due to people voting for tax cuts or something along that line.
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Old 11-05-2024, 10:36 AM   #186
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Because our justice system is so back logged due to poor government funding due to people voting for tax cuts or something along that line.
The justice system is horribly backlogged. However, having a trial of this scope in September of 2025 is probably about the correct scheduling. You need time to interview and gather witnesses, discover documents, exchange documents, make requests for documents, etc...

Then you have to find an open time slot in court that aligns with the schedules of all the lawyers, the police officers involved, the judge, etc.... Typically, when I was scheduling trials a major holdup was the availability of the police officers. They have actual police work to do, but many appear in court fairly frequently too.
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Old 11-05-2024, 10:37 AM   #187
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Just imagine for a second having this conversation in person, and speaking like that. How incredibly stupid you would sound. It reads here the same way that would sound.
“A friend of a friend of Dube’s girlfriend said Dube says he’s innocent” doesn’t sound a whole lot different.
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Old 11-05-2024, 10:56 AM   #188
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Oh I assure you it does.

Dube's girlfriend ---> good friend ---> my family member.

Really not a huge degree of separation.
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Oh I assure you it does.

Dube's girlfriend ---> good friend ---> my family member.

Really not a huge degree of separation.
I think maybe you’re missing the point.

Do you expect someone who has plead not-guilty to say anything other than they’re innocent?

Considering the length of the investigation, how many players were allegedly involved, and the players that ultimately were charged, how likely do you think it is that he wasn’t even in the room?

You think the police charged him despite nothing putting him there? There was video evidence that multiple people saw, remember.
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Old 11-05-2024, 11:08 AM   #190
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I'm not forming an opinion. I'm relaying what I heard.

Who's missing the point?
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Why is the Trial Date so far out for a crime that happened so long ago?
Mostly because the original investigator screwed everything up.
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Take it for what it's worth, but I have a family member that works with someone who is a very good friend of Dillon's GF...


She is adamant that Dillon is 100% innocent. Wasn't in the room, wasn't aware of what happened, and that all of this will come out. Also stated that Dillon believes he will come back to the NHL, but would play for "anyone but the Flames" given how it was handled.

Orange Julius type stuff, and it's completely possible this "source" was fed lies as well, but I thought it was worthy of posting. I also likely butchered the story a bit, but what I'm trying to portray is that their camp believes he is 100% innocent.
It seems strange that Dube would be specifically accused here. Is Dube's story that the victim didn't know exactly who was in the room with her? That is possible, as she was likely very intoxicated and being repeatedly assaulted. Maybe she'd seen him at the bar with her beforehand, and then didn't notice that he never came up to the room?

If that is the case, which seems unlikely, you'd hope his teammates would make that clear from the beginning and the case against him would get dropped pretty quickly.
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Mostly because the original investigator screwed everything up.
See...that makes more sense to me.

Whats that saying? "Justice Delayed is Justice Denied"?

But yeah. Original screwup makes evidence harder to collect, plus theres the whole 'cover-up and payoff' which muddies the waters somewhat.

It just seems like it would be really difficult to collect evidence this long after the fact.
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I'm not forming an opinion. I'm relaying what I heard.

Who's missing the point?
You are. What else would you expect to hear from someone charged with sexual assault that plead not guilty?
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Lol. You’re as stubborn as my 10 year old. Forget it, carry on.
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Just imagine for a second having this conversation in person, and speaking like that. How incredibly stupid you would sound. It reads here the same way that would sound.

I imagine you’re quite young and likely use this platform to portray some sort of alter ego, but it’s a touch strange.

I came here to share information I heard. I stated it may not even be true (obviously), but definitely thought it was share-worthy.

I leave here now looking forward to the potential of Dube being PROVEN (not just getting off) innocent just so I can come back in here to rehash this conversation.
Phrasing!
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I’ve been staying away from this because it’s not that pleasant and the trial is 10 months away. Seeing it bumped repeatedly, I wandered in.

No issue with Miller sharing what he heard.

The rest? Ugh

That’s 5 minutes of my life I’m not getting back
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Take it for what it's worth, but I have a family member that works with someone who is a very good friend of Dillon's GF...


She is adamant that Dillon is 100% innocent. Wasn't in the room, wasn't aware of what happened, and that all of this will come out. Also stated that Dillon believes he will come back to the NHL, but would play for "anyone but the Flames" given how it was handled.

Orange Julius type stuff, and it's completely possible this "source" was fed lies as well, but I thought it was worthy of posting. I also likely butchered the story a bit, but what I'm trying to portray is that their camp believes he is 100% innocent.
He should ask prospective teams how they will handle a rape accusation so that he can find an accommodating team that is the right fit.
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They need a used condom as evidence just so his lawyer can say if the Jimmy hat doesn't fit, you must acquit!
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Old 11-05-2024, 11:44 AM   #200
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I played hockey with a guy that was convicted of murder twice. His wife was absolutely adamant that he didn't do it the whole way through. I'm sure it's a tough spot to be in and you'll latch onto any path of believing you didn't dump a bunch of your life/make yourself vulnerable to a terrible person.
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