American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Or maybe he had a sinus infection that was entirely unrelated to the vaccine. ####ing science ignorant people in power will ruin us all.

Or maybe the sinus infection he got 5 times after the vaccine was you know the vaccine working and keeping his eyeliner loving ass alive.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Why is the electoral college cartoonishly flawed? It seems like it's working the way it was intended. pretty rare to see a Democratic system that works perfectly

1) A state can be won by as little as 1 vote, even if it's a state where millions upon millions of votes were cast. That is a statistical tie; the two candidates are for all intents and purposes supported equally in the state. And yet, all the electors go to the "winner" of that state. Voters on the "losing" side are therefore extremely disenfranchised.

2) The constitution says that every man and woman is born equal. A system that makes a vote in one state weigh more heavily than a vote in another state, is directly contradictory to that foundational principle.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

1) A state can be won by as little as 1 vote, even if it's a state where millions upon millions of votes were cast. That is a statistical tie; the two candidates are for all intents and purposes supported equally in the state. And yet, all the electors go to the "winner" of that state. Voters on the "losing" side are therefore extremely disenfranchised.

2) The constitution says that every man and woman is born equal. A system that makes a vote in one state weigh more heavily than a vote in another state, is directly contradictory to that foundational principle.

Nvm. I was confusing voting at the state level and President.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Nvm. I was confusing voting at the state level and President.

Perfectly valid question though, what happens if the national vote tally is extremely close? This type of scenario seems pretty rare, as you have to go back to 2000 to find the last time the margin was within 1%. The time before that was 1968.

Not sure what would be best to do in that case. Do you still just give the winner the presidency, or would there be some other system that kicks in?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The military will not decide President. That is not happening.

Map it out for me what the last step is in this situation.

You have a clear Harris win, then delayed certification that is clearly designed to undermine the votes in democrat states, then the house picks Trump. It goes to the courts and say the courts back Trump. Are the democrats going to willingly leave power under this scenario?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

This is Qanon level speculation and bull#### by a fringe magazine whose president is an actual communist.

No, it’s actually quite mainstream speculation. Every major media outlet is speculating that this is ‘the secret’.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No, I'm annoyed that the US uses electoral college system, which is already a cartoonishly flawed system, and then on top of that you add other flaws like the one outlined a few posts above.

Then on top of all that you have one state that is likely to decide the entire election, and in said state there is no in-person early voting option that most states have.

The US is such a silly country in a lot of ways. Which is not good considering it has the strongest military in the world and an ungodly arsenal of nuclear weapons.

Honestly just seems like you are over reacting and panicking here. Now you’re stressed because PA allows early voting by mail only?

[puffnstuff]

What exactly is wrong with the winner of the popular vote winning?

[MegaErtz]

Reading Canadians complaining about the electoral college is hilarious. MP Lisa Marie Barron won a seat in 2021 out in Nanaimo-Ladysmith with a whopping 28.8% of the vote.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

What exactly is wrong with the winner of the popular vote winning?

Being popular.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Reading Canadians complaining about the electoral college is hilarious. MP Lisa Marie Barron won a seat in 2021 out in Nanaimo-Ladysmith with a whopping 28.8% of the vote.

What did the betting markets say about that race?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by calculoso

What did the betting markets say about that race?

He has to check with his bookie.

[MegaErtz]

People need to understand why the electoral college came about. It is the same reason that PEI, with a population of less than 180,000, have four MPs. Smaller states were worried that their voice would be drowned out by the big cities, and the same is true today. You think Trump and Harris would be making pit stops at donut shops in small town Wisconsin if the votes in New York, Chicago, and LA actually mattered?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Honestly just seems like you are over reacting and panicking here. Now you’re stressed because PA allows early voting by mail only?

TLDR version: I was caught off guard by the fact that PA does not have in-person early voting. Which seems weird considering it's the state that will very likely determine the election winner. With such importance on its result, you would think that all possible ways of voting early would be made available to voters.

Stressed about this election? Yes. I very much am.

[Looch City]

I truly wonder if the CIA, FBI, or some other agency has backup plans ready to go in case Trump incites crazy ####? Just shoot him on the spot lol

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

People need to understand why the electoral college came about. It is the same reason that PEI, with a population of less than 180,000, have four MPs. Smaller states were worried that their voice would be drowned out by the big cities, and the same is true today. You think Trump and Harris would be making pit stops at donut shops in small town Wisconsin if the votes in New York, Chicago, and LA actually mattered?

They're not making stops in donut shops in rural Wyoming or Delaware either, so I don't see what the difference is...

Tell ya what, the people in my local community think their voices are being drowned out and ignored, so we're declaring ourselves a separate province in Canada and appointing ourselves 4 MPs.

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Reading Canadians complaining about the electoral college is hilarious. MP Lisa Marie Barron won a seat in 2021 out in Nanaimo-Ladysmith with a whopping 28.8% of the vote.

Let me know when Lisa Marie Barron incites an insurrection, denies climate change, gives obscene tax cuts to the rich, or promises detention camps for undocumented immigrants...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I truly wonder if the CIA, FBI, or some other agency has backup plans ready to go in case Trump incites crazy ####? Just shoot him on the spot lol

I'm no Nostradamus but if the feds took out Trump after election night I'm certain that would entice a lot crazy #### from the MAGA crowd.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

They're not making stops in donut shops in rural Wyoming or Delaware either, so I don't see what the difference is...

Tell ya what, the people in my local community think their voices are being drowned out and ignored, so we're declaring ourselves a separate province in Canada and appointing ourselves 4 MPs.



Let me know when Lisa Marie Barron incites an insurrection, denies climate change, gives obscene tax cuts to the rich, or promises detention camps for undocumented immigrants...

This is funny, there's a way you write that is oddly familiar. After this post, I'm almost certain that I know you very well in real life.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1852173289587642796

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Map it out for me what the last step is in this situation.

You have a clear Harris win, then delayed certification that is clearly designed to undermine the votes in democrat states, then the house picks Trump. It goes to the courts and say the courts back Trump. Are the democrats going to willingly leave power under this scenario?

What choice would they have?