How would Bruce Lee do in UFC?

[Lurch]

Just to add to the nonsense for those picking boxers to beat an MMA artist in an MMA fight, Kimbo Slice choked out Ray Mercer last weekend in just a touch over a minute after dominating him with some quasi Muay Thai and a basic takedown. Mercer said he's going back to boxing "cause you can't get choked out in a boxing match". For anyone who doesn't know Kimbo, he's basically a street brawler with a bare modicum of MMA training - in other words, a can in the MMA world.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Lurch

Just to add to the nonsense for those picking boxers to beat an MMA artist in an MMA fight, Kimbo Slice choked out Ray Mercer last weekend in just a touch over a minute after dominating him with some quasi Muay Thai and a basic takedown. Mercer said he's going back to boxing "cause you can't get choked out in a boxing match". For anyone who doesn't know Kimbo, he's basically a street brawler with a bare modicum of MMA training - in other words, a can in the MMA world.

You might also want to point out that Ray Mercer is 46 yrs old and hasn't won a boxing match that I know of since 1998 when he beat some scrub...

Edit looked up his record he did beat some other 40 yr olds in 2002...

[Lurch]

No doubt Mercer is now a bum - point is, he landed 0 shots as Kimbo simply charged him, locked him up in a Muay Thai clinch, took him down after feeding him some knees and choked him out. Kimbo is as much or more of a bum in the MMA world in that he is not a has been, but rather a never was.

Edit to add: Art Jimmerson fought Royce Gracie in UFC 1 (early 90's). I just looked up his record and he was 29-5 when he fought Gracie. Obviously not a star, but I don't think he was a bum either (at the time - he finished his career with a 1-11 stretch!) He apparently was the IBC light heavyweight champ (never heard of that belt) and fought for the NABF title (lost to Dale Brown, the best boxer ever to come out of Calgary IMO). Also fought against Vasily Jirov, multiple time belt holder and another very good fighter. Point is, the guy was not a bum, not a star, and lasted about 2 minutes IIRC.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Lurch

he's basically a street brawler with a bare modicum of MMA training - in other words, a can in the MMA world.

Kimbo Slice had been trainging with MMA Legand Bas Rutten every day for a while leading up to that fight. Kimbo dropped 40 pounds, and Bas went on record saying Slice was one of the best students he has ever had.

If Kimbo is taking MMA seriously.. alot of heavyweights should be running scared.

Anywho.. MMA .. Bruce lee.. I think Bruce would do well.. why? Because the man trained for things that worked.. if he decided to step into an MMA ring he would have done so after learning BJJ and other martial arts.. the guy was a martial arts sponge.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JayP

With the hand speed of guys like Mayweather a MMAer wouldn't be able to even try and get him on the ground without getting knocked out.

Gee, never heard that some a striker before...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by JayP

I still contend that top boxers are much too quick to be taken down as easily as you think they will be. These guys can last 12 twelve rounds dodging and avoiding a single great punch (see Mayweather against De La Hoya), but some low tackle is going to take them down without defense? If Coutour or Hughes tried to go low on them any good boxer would be more quick enough to deliver several punishing blows to an opponnent who's not defending themselves.

A punch is alot easier to avoid then a man rushing in on you trying to get ahold of your hips and bring you down.

A top boxer would probably get a few good shots in, but a decent wrestler in MMA has learned to tuck in head in and avoid punches like that. A punch would probably land more on the shoulder and arms then anything.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kimbo Slice had been trainging with MMA Legand Bas Rutten every day for a while leading up to that fight. Kimbo dropped 40 pounds, and Bas went on record saying Slice was one of the best students he has ever had.

If Kimbo is taking MMA seriously.. alot of heavyweights should be running scared.

Anywho.. MMA .. Bruce lee.. I think Bruce would do well.. why? Because the man trained for things that worked.. if he decided to step into an MMA ring he would have done so after learning BJJ and other martial arts.. the guy was a martial arts sponge.

Running scared? The guy has yet to have a real MMA fight, and has been training for a few months. Maybe MMA is a joke if all it takes to be a world class heavyweight is some raw talent and a few months training. Unless the guy has some other background (wrestling, boxing, BJJ, etc) beyond street brawling that I'm not aware of, I just don't see him having enough time to get up the learning curve to be a real threat inside of 3 years. I think Brock Lesnar has a more realistic shot at being a real fighter than Kimbo, given an actual combat background.

Anyway, as for Bruce, I agree with most that he'd be a stud. Not that his actual style would have worked for beans, but he was smart, freakishly athletic, liked to fight and trained like a madman - pretty much a perfect recipe.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Back to Bruce Lee. Bruce was a man who enjoyed adaptation. There is a famous saying by Bruce, "Be Like Water." A man who is "like water" will always be able to adapt to every environment. In an MMA environment, I believe he would dominate. Don't forget, he IS one of the founding fathers of MMA. He took many different fighting styles and adapted the best elements as his own by refining it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Lurch

Running scared? The guy has yet to have a real MMA fight, and has been training for a few months. Maybe MMA is a joke if all it takes to be a world class heavyweight is some raw talent and a few months training. Unless the guy has some other background (wrestling, boxing, BJJ, etc) beyond street brawling that I'm not aware of, I just don't see him having enough time to get up the learning curve to be a real threat inside of 3 years. I think Brock Lesnar has a more realistic shot at being a real fighter than Kimbo, given an actual combat background..

What... when did I say he would be ready in the next week or so?

If he continues to take it seriously and continues to train with Bas Rutten the guy can be a real threat.

I never gave a time frame on that.

[Lurch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What... when did I say he would be ready in the next week or so?

If he continues to take it seriously and continues to train with Bas Rutten the guy can be a real threat.

I never gave a time frame on that.

Sorry, I thought you meant present tense, i.e. he is now a threat.

If Kimbo is taking MMA seriously.. alot of heavyweights should be running scared.

[united]

Originally Posted by JayP

Obviously if the boxer got taken down they're in huge trouble, but I still contend that if boxers are able to dodge and counter-attack lightning-quick punches for 12-rounds they'll be able to deal with someone leaving themselves wide open by lunging at them and going for their legs.

Art Jimmerson: 0-1 subbed in 2:11
Ray Mercer: 0-1 subbed in 1:12
Fracois botha: 0-1 subbed in 1:54

Three examples of boxers getting taken down and dominated, keep in mind Jimmerson was once champion too. The only mildly succesful boxer is butterbean who has yet to face a top level fighter in mma.

You act as though a boxer would simply dodge a takedown then deliver a knockout punch to a downed opponent. Boxers punching power comes a large part from their legs and firm planted feet. If they are dodging a takedown that leaves them with no power to punch without re setting their feet. By that time the opponent will be up again. The only chance a boxer has is to hit an early powerpunch or flurry or they are done.

[Rhetts_the_Best]

Originally Posted by droopydrew19

The real question is how Chuck Norris would do in the cage...

He would suck ass, because chuck norris has no martial arts talent at all!

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

A punch is alot easier to avoid then a man rushing in on you trying to get ahold of your hips and bring you down.

A top boxer would probably get a few good shots in, but a decent wrestler in MMA has learned to tuck in head in and avoid punches like that. A punch would probably land more on the shoulder and arms then anything.

This line sums up the whole stupidity of the discussion between grappling and striking to me. Of course you can avoid a punch easier than an enitre human...but its a lot easier to hit a guy coming straight for you to!

Bruce Lee would've cleaned up in MMA. There have been a lot of good strikers who've done very well in MMA, most styles were originated to work in real situations and translate to some extent to the ring.

Lastly, I have to say that the whole Gracie domination at the beginning was about as practical as the boxer who came in with one glove on during UFC 1. Sure Gracie won the fights...after 15-20 minutes of laying there doing nothing. That is about as practical in a street situation as pro-wrestling!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_the_Best

He would suck ass, because chuck norris has no martial arts talent at all!

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I'm not sure if you're being serious but Chuck has quite a large load of martial arts skill.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

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I'm not sure if you're being serious but Chuck has quite a large load of martial arts skill.

Exactly, Norris is very well skilled in martial arts. Its guys like Van Damme or Segal that are widely known as not having much martial arts skill. Heck Snipes has as much as Van Damme..lol.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Slava

Lastly, I have to say that the whole Gracie domination at the beginning was about as practical as the boxer who came in with one glove on during UFC 1. Sure Gracie won the fights...after 15-20 minutes of laying there doing nothing. That is about as practical in a street situation as pro-wrestling!

How is that not practical? The guy won the fight. He took little to no damage, and managed to get into a position to choke out or submit an opponent. And make no mistake about it, just about any submisison can do some fairly signifigant damage (that's why guys tap), enought to incapacitate someone. In a street fight, choking the guy out and leaving him laying on the gound is just as good as knocking him out.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

How is that not practical? The guy won the fight. He took little to no damage, and managed to get into a position to choke out or submit an opponent. And make no mistake about it, just about any submisison can do some fairly signifigant damage (that's why guys tap), enought to incapacitate someone. In a street fight, choking the guy out and leaving him laying on the gound is just as good as knocking him out.

well sure, if this is a one on one thing, it could work. But really, he takes someone down and then I guess works his magic in front of the other guys friends? That is where this falls apart.

Plus, there are a lot of legitimate striking options removed from these events (and for good reason!). There are limitations on where you can strike on your opponent, types of strikes that are illegal and things like that. So its a sport in which BJJ fighters do well, but it doesn't really prove anything beyond that.

[Rhetts_the_Best]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

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I'm not sure if you're being serious but Chuck has quite a large load of martial arts skill.

i know but no way near to any top notch martial artist, he quite average

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Slava

well sure, if this is a one on one thing, it could work. But really, he takes someone down and then I guess works his magic in front of the other guys friends? That is where this falls apart.

Plus, there are a lot of legitimate striking options removed from these events (and for good reason!). There are limitations on where you can strike on your opponent, types of strikes that are illegal and things like that. So its a sport in which BJJ fighters do well, but it doesn't really prove anything beyond that.

Also if I ever got in a fight with someone and they just sat there laying on the ground I would just stare at him wondering what he was doing or maybe throw something at him if he's kicking his leg like a girl...

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by droopydrew19

The real question is how Chuck Norris would do in the cage...

No cage could hold Chuck Norris...