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Old 06-26-2007, 09:17 AM   #121
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I love how people are so quick to judge. Find out the freakin' story before you start slingin . The investigation has not ended and the police have not yet made an official report.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:21 AM   #122
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I love how people are so quick to judge. Find out the freakin' story before you start slingin . The investigation has not ended and the police have not yet made an official report.
But it's so much fun to jump to conclusions, I think someone made a mat just for that
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:02 AM   #123
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Something I posted somewhere else


O.K, for once I'm going to try to be the voice of reason.

Benoit's death did hit me hard, I remember watching him wrestle in person at Stampede Wrestling from the time that he was 18 years old. I'd also met him on several occassions with the last time being about three years ago. I will say now that I had never met a nicer and more grounded and likeable guy. He wasn't loud and boisterous, he was soft spoken and unfailingly polite. I remember that his wife was with him and though I didn't get to meet her, she had a nice smile and seemed quite happy.

I remember at the end of Dynamite Kid's career, he came out to the ring and handed his boots to Benoit and retired, now back then I was young and stupid and had no concept of Kayfabe and story lines, and for you who watched and enjoyed Stampeded Wrestling, it always seemed so real. When you watched Benoit wrestle, he also looked so real, he was young powerful and intense, and he didn't stop working for the fans, he was always willing to sign books for kids, and he was never one of those guys who would shake your hand and then turn away with a bit of a sneer.

Fast forward to Wrestlemania 20 when he won the world title. What made that win special for me was the look of joy and gratitude in Benoit's face and the fact that his wife and kid came out to the ring to give him a hug and help him celebrate the attainment of a dream. Triple H might have been angry and scowling and swearing revenge as he left the ring area, but you know that inside he was smiling and thrilled that Benoit had gained the recognition that he deserved.

But now thats over, a 7 year old, a superstar wrestler and his wife are all dead, a family is destroyed. Now the first natural reaction is to curse Benoit's name and call him horrible things and brand him as a killer. I would urge a little caution before we all react to this. Frankly we don't know what happened in that house on Saturday, and different stories continue to float aroud. The latest rumor is that Nancy killed Daniel and Benoit killed Nancy and then himself. Frankly we just don't know what the circumstances are.

Now I'm not saying that you should ignore your instincts, if it makes you feel better to curse Benoit, then do it, but I think the wise thing to do is to wait for the investigation to finish before you pass judgement.

On another note, I hope this isn't the latest in a string of steroid and persciption drug related deaths. Sherri Martel passed away recently due to a possible overdoes of painkillers. Biff Wellington, a one time stable in Stampede Wrestling passed away after multiple strokes racked his 39 year old body. Now this, is it roid rage, or drug abuse. I certainly hope not, because if it is, then it certainly calls the WWE's wellness program into question. We've seen suspensions of mid card people, and we saw the suspension of Randy Orton under that program. But Chris Benoit was a main eventer, hopefully we're not talking about a double standard that lead to multiple deaths.

I keep looking back on my memories of Chris both in the ring and out and I say, no way, not this guy. God I hope this is all wrong.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:03 AM   #124
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Indeed he would have but the act can become understandable in a way. Not saying it's the right way to go about it or that it's right to then kill yourself and leave your other kids parentless.
The act of killing someone (with the exception of war) can never be given a good enough excuse and/or be understandable. If his wife did this (as rumored), he could have went to the police, simple as that... or even called 911... Nothing understandable about it.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:06 AM   #125
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In regards to all this talk of character I have a saying. "It can take a lifetime to build up respect for someone and a second for them to lose it all." People are defined by their actions and words. Unfortunately sometimes one action will trump the others and become what that person is known for.

For example if you found out your significant other was cheating on you, chances are your opinion and the way you see that person will be forever changed. There is a real possibility that it will ruin the relationship. You could have been together for 20 years and that one single second were you find out could totally changed that person in your eyes. Or if someone was a terrible person their whole life and no one would be sad to them go away. But ended up sacrificing themselves to save a child's life. That person would be looked at as a hero, despite the terrible person he was before.

I use to watch wrestling when I was 12. So anything that I thought of the wrestlers back then as people is pretty much wiped clean. I'll wait for the facts to come in, but as of right now it's not looking for Benoit. I don't really care what kind of person he was before this incident, because how we'll be remembered in my eyes will incumbent on the outcome of this.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:07 AM   #126
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I love how people are so quick to judge. Find out the freakin' story before you start slingin . The investigation has not ended and the police have not yet made an official report.
I love how some people are so ignorant as to ignore initial speculation, the police don’t call cases “murder suicide” for no reason

They also don’t state that presently there is no killer at large for no reason

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Old 06-26-2007, 10:13 AM   #127
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When you talk about Chris Benoit and steroids in the same paragraph, it just doesn't click. The WWE Wellness Policy has been fairly active over the last year or so, suspending superstars such as Chris Masters, Randy Orton, possible drug failures by both Rob Van Dam and Sabu, and more recently, Joey Mercury. This program was instituted after the death of Eddie Guererro, and as such, begs the question of how a man of main-event status such as Chris Benoit could slip through the cracks amidst all these recent discoveries. In addition, given of what we know about Benoit, his personal pride and discipline, workout regiment, and family life, it is hard to imagine any drug abuse stemming from this incident, although with a profession like his, you can never say never. Benoit was unlike most wrestlers backstage, and had pretty much nailed down the mantra of keeping your personal and professional lives seperate. He was quiet by nature, never badmouthed anyone in that otherwise verbally-abusive business, and always made sure he and his family showed respect to those who deserved it.

This is an unfortunate turn of events, but no one can deny the incredible, NATURAL, ability that Benoit exuded over the last 20 years. His work in WWE was monumental, but you had to have watched him in his work in Stampede Wrestling, Japan, ECW, and WCW to really get an appreciation for a wrestler of his caliber.

RIP to Benoit and his family. Alberta has truly lost one of it's favorite sons.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:16 AM   #128
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The act of killing someone (with the exception of war) can never be given a good enough excuse and/or be understandable. If his wife did this (as rumored), he could have went to the police, simple as that... or even called 911... Nothing understandable about it.
Hence why i said "in a way" and why I also said it wasn't the right way to go about it.

But, and it is a big but, if anything is going to cause a person to break from reality it could be witnessing your wife killing or having just killed your 7 year old son. And to be honest if this latest rumour is the truth and that is what happened, had he not killed himself I don't think you'd see a very harsh sentence at all.

All I was saying.

J-pold....the authorities also don't say things like "bizarre" if it's your "typical" murder suicide.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:02 AM   #129
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what a sick f@#%
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:04 AM   #130
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Here's a news bulletin on this story...

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No doubt this is a tragic story. I'm sure there will be those who choose to gloss over the fact this is the act of an f-ing coward.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:05 AM   #131
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As more details leak out. According to TMZ.com

WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation by the coroner on the cause and time of the deaths.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.


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Old 06-26-2007, 11:11 AM   #132
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I find myself very confused with many mixed emotions today.

One bad decision can unfortunately overshadow a lifetime of good. Do we talk about OJ simpson the amazing running back? No, all OJ is tied to anymore is the deaths / trial. Not to say that we should paint Chris Benoit with the same brush as OJ as details are still sketchy but it is easy to erase all the good he did as a result of this.

I have met Chris on a couple of occasions and as a few have mentioned he was a very humble an polite man. In a lifestyle of aggression and and egos he seemed far from the norm.

Early this morning I was wondering, like the rest of you, how could he take the lives of his wife and kid. I was extremely baffled.

If the rumours of him killing his wife only are true I can possibly understand what he may have been thinking. As a father I can honestly say I would absolutely lose it if my kid was killed. I am not going to defend Chris' alleged actions but if a man of his strength were to snap seeing his child dead he could fataly wound a woman quite easily.

I wonder if we will ever get the full story. It is hard to remember the Chris Benoit I admired with this black cloud surrounding his family.

My thoughts and prayers are with his remaing 2 children and the family he has left behind.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:21 AM   #133
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A police source close to the investigation tells the Associated Press the wrestler killed his wife, then smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room. The source also told AP that they are investigating whether or not steroids played a part in the killings.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2979751.shtml

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Old 06-26-2007, 11:22 AM   #134
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Here is an update. The first line (as reported a few posts above this is on there as well).
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:28 AM   #135
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I love how some people are so ignorant as to ignore initial speculation, the police don’t call cases “murder suicide” for no reason

They also don’t state that presently there is no killer at large for no reason

Whether it turns out that he killed his wife and son, or his wife killed his son and he killed his wife, or another scenario, I still won't judge him. Whatever happened this past weekend doesn't mean that he spent his entire life as a plodding murderer. It doesn't mean that he spent his life as a sick and evil man. Whatever happened this past weekend doesn't mean that we was never a good person and he should be hated for everything he ever did.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:43 AM   #136
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Whether it turns out that he killed his wife and son, or his wife killed his son and he killed his wife, or another scenario, I still won't judge him. Whatever happened this past weekend doesn't mean that he spent his entire life as a plodding murderer. It doesn't mean that he spent his life as a sick and evil man. Whatever happened this past weekend doesn't mean that we was never a good person and he should be hated for everything he ever did.
Sorry that is staight up bullcrap. He ended the life of his own child according to the reports, not to mention the life of the woman that he was married to, and should have been protecting. He obviously had some screws loose and it doesn't matter how good of a wrestler he was or how much of an idol he was of yours, he was a sick and evil man who will always been tarnished by this one incident and who should be hated as a result.
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:45 AM   #137
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this is a horrible story, condolenses to the friends, relative and fans of the Benoit family
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Old 06-26-2007, 12:06 PM   #138
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Sorry that is staight up bullcrap. He ended the life of his own child according to the reports, not to mention the life of the woman that he was married to, and should have been protecting. He obviously had some screws loose and it doesn't matter how good of a wrestler he was or how much of an idol he was of yours, he was a sick and evil man who will always been tarnished by this one incident and who should be hated as a result.
People are judging his entire life based on one incident and that is complete bullcrap. I am in no way condoning or making an excuse for what happened this past weekend, but it is not right to automatically assume that a person was always sick and evil. Obviously he had some problems and he couldn't or didn't know how to get help and lost control beyond despair, but his actions are inexcusable. I understand that he will forever be labeled as a murderer but it is sad that people cannot look beyond the label and see what a good man he once was.
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People are judging his entire life based on one incident and that is complete bullcrap. I am in no way condoning or making an excuse for what happened this past weekend, but it is not right to automatically assume that a person was always sick and evil. Obviously he had some problems and he couldn't or didn't know how to get help and lost control beyond despair, but his actions are inexcusable. I understand that he will forever be labeled as a murderer but it is sad that people cannot look beyond the label and see what a good man he once was.
That is what OJ supporters say.
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Wow...what a remarkably scary and tragic story. How could he do that? Could 'roids really make someone do that?
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