Russia invades Ukraine

[burn_this_city]

Now that the North has thrown their hat in the ring, I suspect the South will provide very meaningful levels of support.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The Republic of Korea (South Korea) has confirmed that North Korea has sent around 10,000 troops to Ukraine to fight alongside Russian troops. This has been confirmed by South Korean intelligence.

For all the prognosticating on an eventual WWIII, you can't dream up a better scenario than the Axis being Russia, in complete shambles, with their good buddies North Korea. I don't understand what the West is so afraid of besides the personal comfort of leaders to stay in power.

[FlamesAddiction]

People talk a lot about Russian red lines, esepcially regarding how much NATO countries get involved in the war, but North Korea taking part in the invasion of a European country should definitely be a red line for the West.

Not that I want to see escalation in this war, but there is no difference between North Korea officially deploying troops and if say a country like Poland or France did the same thing.

I think letting Russia alone set the red lines will be a big mistake.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

People talk a lot about Russian red lines, esepcially regarding how much NATO countries get involved in the war, but North Korea taking part in the invasion of a European country should definitely be a red line for the West.

Not that I want to see escalation in this war, but there is no difference between North Korea officially deploying troops and if say a country like Poland or France did the same thing.

I think letting Russia alone set the red lines will be a big mistake.

While I agree, its important to remember the West barely knew Ukraine existed outside a Trump scandal prior to the Russian invasion. It might be European geographically, but politically it was far close to the Russian sphere than the European one. If Russia invaded pretty much any actual EU nation he'd be dead now... I'm not sure defining the West's response/support for Ukraine is the correct measure for its resolve. There were no alliances or defense commitments with Ukraine prior to this war - its not like the West is breaking its word or something.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Hopefully Churchill was right when he said Americans will always do the right thing, after they've tried everything else first.

Now is the time to flex their industrial and military might. Send all the boom boom to the frontline, repel the invasion, and build the biggest and baddest Maginot line between Ukraine & Russia. Give NK a smack on the snout too for sticking their nose where it don't belong.

You can't be serious right? The one country that has caused the most death and destruction around the world, has proven Churchill was wrong many times over already lol. The Americans will act themselves or have another power, country or group that they control slaughter and kill anyone, regardless they be children or adults, civilians or not.

[Cheese]

An overview of Russian losses over the past 24 hours.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847892859711610976


The Ukrainian Air Force reports on a missile and drone attack overnight in which 94 air targets were taken down.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847892861603246250


Last night, drones attacked the "Kremniy EL" factory in Bryansk, which produces components for air defense systems

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847532002859184386


Every month, Ukraine develops new electronic warfare tools, The Times writes. One innovative solution is Kvertus' backpacks equipped with antennas to neutralize drones from several kilometers away.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847706432088445350


Moldova is holding a presidential election and referendum on joining the EU today. The Moldovan police have uncovered a vast network of Russian agents running an operation aimed at bribing as many people as possible to vote against joining the EU.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847970078509150321


Russian oligarch and former vice-president of the oil giant Yukos, Mikhail Rogachev, mysteriously died yesterday after falling out of a window

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847991467697971458


Russian forces are increasingly shelling their own settlements in the Kursk region with little regard for civilian life

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847999516152070484


Ukrainian drones attacked explosives factory in Russia's Nizhny Novgorod region.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847888499346718736


Video of the Ukrainian attack on the Russian airfield "Lipetsk-2" published online It is known that Su-34, Su-35, and MiG-31 aircraft are stationed at the airfield.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847977749794664686


France to give Ukraine 12 more Caesar self-propelled howitzers with funds from frozen Russian assets.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1847912331126124713

[Fuzz]

I can't believe they are still falling out of windows. What a hazard.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I can't believe they are still falling out of windows. What a hazard.

I'm telling you...those windows are not up to code.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

There were no alliances or defense commitments with Ukraine prior to this war - its not like the West is breaking its word or something.

False: the USA and the UK are guarantors of the Budapest Memorandum, what states that Russia shall not violate its sovereignty or territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.

[Cheese]

$400 million military aid package:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848340937656705216


MFA of South Korea summoned the Russian ambassador with a call to immediately withdraw North Korean soldiers from Russian training ground

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848339073066242264


North Korean soldiers who tried to flee their posts in Russia’s Kursk region have been recaptured and are now being sent for assaults against Ukraine, according to reports from Ukrainian intelligence.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848334836211028064


Ukraine's military intelligence announced the death of Russian pilot Dmitriy Vladimirovich Golenkov. He was responsible for numerous air attacks on residential areas

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848270412213264809


BREAKING: #Moldova has voted yes to joining the EU by a tiny margin 50.38% YES 49.62% NO

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848299099298086927

[CroFlames]

Cheese thanks for these twitter dumps. Tons of great info.

Ngl, I got a tiny bit of satisfaction out of that Russian officer being bludgeoned to death with a hammer.

[Huntingwhale]

^Yeah, been waiting for that one for a while. That was such a rage-inducing event when it happened for no reason other then to be a terrorist POS. Seeing his smug face no longer capable of being a smug face is reason to celebrate.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by SebC

False: the USA and the UK are guarantors of the Budapest Memorandum, what states that Russia shall not violate its sovereignty or territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.

That's not a defense commitment though. The Budapest Memorandum just requires signatories to refrain from threatening or attacking Ukraine, as well as seeking Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine. There is zero requirement for signatories to come to Ukraine's aid in the event they are attacked.

The language of the document and the meaning behind the agreement were made abundantly clear at the time of signing. Obviously the US and UK had no interest in having to enforce security guarantees if a 3rd party attacked Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by opendoor

That's not a defense commitment though. The Budapest Memorandum just requires signatories to refrain from threatening or attacking Ukraine, as well as seeking Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine. There is zero requirement for signatories to come to Ukraine's aid in the event they are attacked.

The language of the document and the meaning behind the agreement were made abundantly clear at the time of signing. Obviously the US and UK had no interest in having to enforce security guarantees if a 3rd party attacked Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

Whether or not there is or was a defense pact in place between Ukraine and other countries is just an administrative issue at this point. North Korea and Russia didn't have a mutual defense pact in place until very recently.

Another country could enter a similar pact with Ukraine separate from NATO in a simlar way. Putin set the precedent and now it is up to Europe to respond. I don't think they should let it slide though.

[Coach]

The window fall is such a trope they might as well film it and add the Wilhelm scream.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by SebC

False: the USA and the UK are guarantors of the Budapest Memorandum, what states that Russia shall not violate its sovereignty or territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.

False: Read what you linked. There were no defense commitments from the West included in that document. It says aggression will be referred to the Security Council, in which Russia has a veto.

From your link "According to Stephen MacFarlane, a professor of international relations, "It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine."[53] In the US, neither the George H. W. Bush administration nor the Clinton administration was prepared to give a military commitment to Ukraine, and they did not believe the US Senate would ratify an international treaty and so the memorandum was adopted in more limited terms."

I am very much in favour of Western intervention, but any notion that the West has failed to live up to its legal/military obligations or commitments is incorrect and lacks proof.

[Cheese]

It has become increasingly likely that North Korean combat troops will appear in #Ukraine soon. While there remain many unknowns on this subject, the deployment of North Korean troops raises many different potential issues for Russia, Ukraine and NATO. 1/10

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848583900559454507


An overview of the daily events in Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848473579664425189


Russian losses per 21/10/24 reported by the Ukrainian general staff. +1710 personnel (!)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848245110762344779


Wounded Russian soldiers can only get out of the front lines by bribing doctors, according to a Russian Telegram channel

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848641744310546532


The government and military of South Korea "are reviewing a plan to send an appropriate number of personnel, including intelligence officers [specialized in North Korea] and experts in enemy tactics," to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848447199425994889


Lithuania's Foreign Minister Gabrielus Landsbergis has suggested sending EU troops to Ukraine in light of North Korean soldiers joining Russian forces. He emphasized the need to revisit French President Macron's earlier proposal for troop deployment

https://twitter.com/user/status/1848660542648435181

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Oh wow! SK rumblings about sending troops to help Ukraine. Who'da thunk that South Korea would be the first nation to put boots on the ground, over EU or other such nations?

Good on'em!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Oh wow! SK rumblings about sending troops to help Ukraine. Who'da thunk that South Korea would be the first nation to put boots on the ground, over EU or other such nations?

Good on'em!

I agree, although it is directly related to countering North Korean military strategy rather than for the plight of Ukrainians. That said, any help is good help and I think South Korean troops provides an interesting escalation without NATO crossing a red line.

It's crazy to see how various regional hostilities are starting to connect back to each other.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I agree, although it is directly related to countering North Korean military strategy rather than for the plight of Ukrainians. That said, any help is good help and I think South Korean troops provides an interesting escalation without NATO crossing a red line.

It's crazy to see how various regional hostilities are starting to connect back to each other.

Putting my detective hat on for this one, but it's almost like a large number of conflicts around the world can be linked back to a single country of origin...