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[CliffFletcher]

Yeah, the safest place for a cyclist to ride is the centre of the lane.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, the safest place for a cyclist to ride is the centre of the lane.

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

You think roads are built by car registration and insurance?????

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

Sure, but you know, in the absence of those…

And even then. Years and years ago, maybe a decade+, I had parked in a spot where you’re between the bike lane and the curb. Without thinking, I opened my door and almost hit a cyclist (he rightly and properly told me off and continued on his way). It’s a lesson I only needed to learn once, but that person in a bike lane was still at risk because of someone (me) being an idiot.

Regardless, safety of cyclists should be every driver’s responsibility, not just theirs. The driver in the situation posted was obviously in the right, but that doesn’t change the many instances where drivers act like idiots because cyclists “shouldn’t be there” or aren’t being the safest. And that goes down to cyclists respecting pedestrians regardless of whether they should be there or not.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

How many collisions between cyclists and other users do you think occur in a year that may require insurance to step in? Keep in mind, homeowners insurance covers this. So you just think cyclists should have to pay for their own road space, yet vehicles do not? We all pay taxes. They don't just go to your chosen method of transport.

These are bad ideas that have been investigated(in some cases implemented, even in Alberta) and in pretty much all cases discarded, for all the reasons you can read about if you Google it. We don't need to get into it again. If you still want to, Google it first. Please.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The curb area is a really ####ty spot to ride. It's full of gravel, glass, broken pavement, drains, and all manner of trash. It is absolutely not the safest place to ride. So if you see a cyclist a few feet out from it, don't go wondering why, and think may be you can not give the safe space because they don't care about safety, either. That's not the case.

A lot of the highway shoulders here are cleaner and broader than most designated city bike paths. I used to ride a stretch of minor highway on the shoulders before they were nice like they are now and the gravel never impacted my ride. I just got used to it.

I would stay well off the lane and just use that shoulder real estate but maybe I don't trust drivers to fulfill the expectations cyclists have of them as others seem to.

When people are traveling 80-130+ km/h i wouldn't put a whisker in that lane if I could help it.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

You think roads are built by car registration and insurance?????

And if the insurance is paying for the roads/bike lanes, what is paying for the insurance claims?

[DownInFlames]

I just got shat on by a bird. #### me.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I just got shat on by a bird. #### me.

Did it get in any orifices?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I just got shat on by a bird. #### me.

NSFW!

This one always makes me laugh. He's just so calm about it.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Did it get in any orifices?

No just my shoulder and the envelope I was carrying, which then got on my phone and hand. Gross.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

And if the insurance is paying for the roads/bike lanes, what is paying for the insurance claims?

Trick question, insurance doesn't pay claims only denies.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

Or the regular taxes we all pay that go to making roads and sidewalks

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Or...fully separate and independent bike lanes.

Funded solely by bike registration fees and insurance adders..

Same with sidewalks. They should be paid for by shoe registration and mandatory walking insurance.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Or the regular taxes we all pay that go to making roads and sidewalks

Gasoline and Diesel taxes raises 8 billion a year

Canada spent 9.8 billion on roads in 2022

Your regular taxes pay very little towards roads .

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The curb area is a really ####ty spot to ride. It's full of gravel, glass, broken pavement, drains, and all manner of trash. It is absolutely not the safest place to ride. So if you see a cyclist a few feet out from it, don't go wondering why, and think may be you can not give the safe space because they don't care about safety, either. That's not the case.

With the current condition of roads you have to meander a fair bit to avoid these hazards. It's a big reason you should not pass close.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, the safest place for a cyclist to ride is the centre of the lane.

I was doing this just today with my kid on the back of the bike because there were lots of parked cars. I was going 26kph (and still accelerating up to 30ish) yet some bozo decided to pass me 50m before a playground zone, and then rip through the playground zone at like 50+

Gonna figure out a bike dash cam set up. Enough is enough.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sure, but you know, in the absence of those…

And even then. Years and years ago, maybe a decade+, I had parked in a spot where you’re between the bike lane and the curb. Without thinking, I opened my door and almost hit a cyclist (he rightly and properly told me off and continued on his way). It’s a lesson I only needed to learn once, but that person in a bike lane was still at risk because of someone (me) being an idiot.

Regardless, safety of cyclists should be every driver’s responsibility, not just theirs. The driver in the situation posted was obviously in the right, but that doesn’t change the many instances where drivers act like idiots because cyclists “shouldn’t be there” or aren’t being the safest. And that goes down to cyclists respecting pedestrians regardless of whether they should be there or not.

Nitpicking, but the driver was just not egregiously wrong, and their overall behaviour in relation to the cyclist. That was ####ty driving.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Gasoline and Diesel taxes raises 8 billion a year

Canada spent 9.8 billion on roads in 2022

Your regular taxes pay very little towards roads .

Cyclists also are drivers and pay taxes for roads.

Drivers also benefit a lot from cycling infrastructure. We don’t need cycling infrastructure for cyclists we need it for drivers who can’t co-exist with cyclists.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Gasoline and Diesel taxes raises 8 billion a year

Canada spent 9.8 billion on roads in 2022

Your regular taxes pay very little towards roads .

K, now price in externalities. If you want to play a dollars game it's not gonna come out looking good for individual vehicles. They are highly subsidized.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Nitpicking, but the driver was just not egregiously wrong, and their overall behaviour in relation to the cyclist. That was ####ty driving.

He moved over. The DA’s office reviewed the video and found he did nothing wrong, which means they believed he gave at least the legal 3 ft. He did nothing to antagonize the cyclist in their confrontation and even the cyclist admitted he took out his frustration on this one individual that had been built up by previous incidents.

What more, realistically, would you have wanted him to do, and what more evidence would you have needed considering this is the world of the cyclist against the driver, the dash cam, and the decision of the DA after reviewing the evidence?

There’s nothing that points to “####ty” driving.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

K, now price in externalities. If you want to play a dollars game it's not gonna come out looking good for individual vehicles. They are highly subsidized.

Huh ? What are you going on about now that you think you are an expert on ?

Externalities ? Subsidized vehicles ?

The auto industry contributes over 15 billion in Canadian GDP , selling 1.8 million new cars a years.

Individual drivers are taxed on the vehicle purchase , on gas purchase , on maintenance , insurance , etc

The only thing that is subsidized is the auto manufacturing industry which has nothing to do with individual drivers .

If you want to debate subsidizing Ontario automakers fine - but that has nothing to do with the fact drivers pay for the roads in taxes and then some .

No ones taxes are going towards roads per se