I will say that sometimes the people with "no skin in the game" have the clearest vision, as it isn't tainted by the events.
That quote I posted was directly from one of the victims families in the article I shared, I hope it didn’t come across snarky because it wasn’t meant to be.
For me we have at least one family who says they will not be able to heal with him in the headlines and wish him deported. In this case that’s where I feel it’s most appropriate to align myself. Sidhu and his situation aren’t as important to me as the victims who are requesting his deportation for their healing.
Edit: to Pepsifree, I’d argue that no 2 people heal the same way. Some people may be perfectly fine by forgiving him and that’s how their journey goes. Others have asked to deport him. I don’t think it’s fair to use 1, 100 or 1000 examples of ways people forgive others because it’s such a subjective topic. The best we can do is support the victims as well as we can, and deportation will help the families asking for it.
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That quote I posted was directly from one of the victims families in the article I shared, I hope it didn’t come across snarky because it wasn’t meant to be.
For me we have at least one family who says they will not be able to heal with him in the headlines and wish him deported. In this case that’s where I feel it’s most appropriate to align myself. Sidhu and his situation aren’t as important to me as the victims who are requesting his deportation for their healing.
Nah, I didn't take it as snarky at all.
I think it is important that we don't always let victims drive "Justice".
While there wishes shouldn't be ignored they shouldn't be the sole decider of what happens.
If some want him to be deported and some don't where does that leave us....
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That quote I posted was directly from one of the victims families in the article I shared, I hope it didn’t come across snarky because it wasn’t meant to be.
For me we have at least one family who says they will not be able to heal with him in the headlines and wish him deported. In this case that’s where I feel it’s most appropriate to align myself. Sidhu and his situation aren’t as important to me as the victims who are requesting his deportation for their healing.
Edit: to Pepsifree, I’d argue that no 2 people heal the same way. Some people may be perfectly fine by forgiving him and that’s how their journey goes. Others have asked to deport him. I don’t think it’s fair to use 1, 100 or 1000 examples of ways people forgive others because it’s such a subjective topic. The best we can do is support the victims as well as we can, and deportation will help the families asking for it.
I see what you’re saying, I just brought up the wishes of a different family because I think it’s important to remember that deportation may also harm the families wishing against it, because to them it’s another unnecessary victim in all of this. I can’t imagine it’s any easier knowing one more family is harmed by this tragedy.
Which feelings get priority? Which families are more deserving of being helped or having their wishes granted than others?
I don’t think there’s an answer, and I don’t think any decision should be made based on trying to find that answer.
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I see what you’re saying, I just brought up the wishes of a different family because I think it’s important to remember that deportation may also harm the families wishing against it, because to them it’s another unnecessary victim in all of this. I can’t imagine it’s any easier knowing one more family is harmed by this tragedy.
Which feelings get priority? Which families are more deserving of being helped or having their wishes granted than others?
I don’t think there’s an answer, and I don’t think any decision should be made based on trying to find that answer.
Your points are all valid too and really this whole situations is such a crappy grey area that there is no right answer. I wasn’t trying to argue with you either, just wanted to flesh out what my position on the situation is.
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I honestly couldn't imagine wanting to stay in Canada. Just the risk of running into some of the victims or their family members, and always being the guy who did that thing. I think I would want to be as far away as possible and just disappear. I suspect for him, it's more about not breaking up the family or forcing them to move to India. It's just a tragic situation all around, and while I think the laws on this should be black and white, I wouldn't be upset if the courts eventually decide to make an exception.
The main reason why I think an exception might make sense is because as others have mentioned, I don't think he made careless choices because he was flippant about safety or ignorant. I think the industry really pushes drivers to the point that their livelihoods often depend on taking those risks. I can buy the notion that he was in essence a puppet of the industry.
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It just seems like special lengths are gone to because of the high profile nature of the case more than anything. When you have a terrible situation that affects so many, why inflict more pain and victims needlessly and add to what's already been done?
I may just be wrong because I'm on the periphery of this whole case but it feels like these measures are taken to bring some kind of "consoling" resolution in the headlines, when in reality and behind the scenes it's just more people affected negatively.
These people are going to have to find/make their own peace, which is heartbreaking to begin with and I feel for them. I just don't believe the eye for an eye means of separating a family will bring any meaningful peace or accomplishes anything.
Now having the guy be a spokesperson sharing his story as a cautionary influence on the industry sounds like how you transmute this into something actually good. Shipping people off for some kind of shallow repayment/victory/whatever doesn't and won't.
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Not from what I’ve seen but I’m not really sure what their stance is. From the article I posted on the last page:
Chris Joseph, whose 20-year-old son Jaxon was killed, called the deportation ruling a relief.
"This is not a death sentence that some people want to make it out to be. He's simply just lost the privilege to stay in this country," Joseph said in an interview.
"We can't begin to heal, as long as we keep seeing [Sidhu's] face everywhere in the media and hearing the different opinions from people who have no skin in the game. This should be about the victims and their families."
Not sure where to put this but CBC highlighting continued issues, bribes, etc. with unqualified truckers in Canada.
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Really CBC. "She doesn't want to reveal her identity for fear of losing her job" -Immediately proceed to reveal her gender and how long she's been an examiner, give a full body shot with framing so it's more than easy enough to profile
Edit: and her hands revealing her skin colour. ####ing amateurs
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That a federal politician would advocate for this is disgusting imo. There are so many more worthy causes to advocate for than stopping the deportation of some guy who killed many young Canadians and spent years in a taxpayer funded correctional facility.
Really CBC. "She doesn't want to reveal her identity for fear of losing her job" -Immediately proceed to reveal her gender and how long she's been an examiner, give a full body shot with framing so it's more than easy enough to profile
Edit: and her hands revealing her skin colour. ####ing amateurs
lmao that's 100% not the actual person. The gender and job history is probably fudged for anonymity as well.
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That a federal politician would advocate for this is disgusting imo. There are so many more worthy causes to advocate for than stopping the deportation of some guy who killed many young Canadians and spent years in a taxpayer funded correctional facility.
Would you rather him roam the streets ? Where else would he have gone ?
That a federal politician would advocate for this is disgusting imo. There are so many more worthy causes to advocate for than stopping the deportation of some guy who killed many young Canadians and spent years in a taxpayer funded correctional facility.
Id rather my MP advocates for more deserving people and issues.
You’re suggesting there should be no due process for someone who clearly made a mistake and has clearly shown remorse since the incident. Just because of his immigration status as a permanent resident - he should be deported meanwhile there are plenty of canadian citizens who commit heinous crimes and we don’t abandon them above the arctic circle. maybe we should. this is a much larger issue.
why do politicians in the US advocate for a stay for prisoners on death row? obviously there are more deserving people and issues?
