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Old 10-11-2024, 07:02 PM   #22121
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Do you know what anarchy is? The abolition of all forms of authority. That sounds like Trump to you? Is he a fascist or an anarchist?

I think he's a protectionist who appeals to dark sides of society. Not my cup of tea, but obviously the world didn't end with either him or Biden in the White House. Meanwhile, both sides yell over each other predicting imminent catastrophe shall they lose, neither of which will happen.

No matter who wins, I guarantee you one thing. 2028 will be the "most important election" of our lives, according to them.
If Trump gets back into power, there likely won’t be an election in 2028. The world didn’t end during his first term because thankfully there were a few sane adults in the White House at the time who kept him in check. That won’t be the case this time around when he fills his administration with hardcore MAGA lunatics. Complete and total anarchy is exactly what you’re gonna get with a 2nd Trump term.
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Do you know what anarchy is? The abolition of all forms of authority. That sounds like Trump to you?.
It does actually bud ....

Why Donald Trump was the ultimate anarchist

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The former president is being tried for his role in inciting anarchy but anarchia, in the Greek sense of “vacant office”, characterised his entire term.
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Most of this coverage associated “anarchy” with the violence and lawlessness that characterised the Capitol riots, as a direct result of which five people died, including one Capitol Police officer. Yet there is a sense in which Trump not only incited anarchy during this violent finale to his presidency, but acted as an anarchist par excellence during his entire tenure in office, embodying what an ancient Greek observer would have called “anarchia”.
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The Greek word anarchia literally means a vacant office: the absence of an officeholder. It was also used to describe an officeholder who undermines the constitutional order on which their own office, and the rule of law, depends. In fact, anarchia was often used to describe an officeholder – usually retrospectively – as having been no proper officeholder at all.
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In the end, Trump’s “incitement of insurrection”, combined with his consistent failure to live up to the obligations of the presidency, show that he was no proper office holder at all. Despite his claim to be “the only thing standing between the American Dream and total anarchy”, it is clear that Trump was the real anarchist all along.
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If Trump gets back into power, there likely won’t be an election in 2028. The world didn’t end during his first term because thankfully there were a few sane adults in the White House at the time who kept him in check. That won’t be the case this time around when he fills his administration with hardcore MAGA lunatics. Complete and total anarchy is exactly what you’re gonna get with a 2nd Trump term.
A sane adult thinks that there likely won't be an election in 2028 if Trump wins. Okay.

If he wins, he wins. If he loses, his crazy deranged devotees will do crazy deranged things and end up in prison again. Either way, life goes on for the rest of us.

Some Democrat is going to win again at some point, whether it's Vice President Harris or someone else. Then it's an existential crisis for all Republicans who are losing their country. And some Republican is going to win again at some point, whether it's Trump or whoever they have warming up in the bullpen or developing in the minor leagues. Then it's an existential crisis for all Democrats who are losing their country.

It's exhausting. It's quite frankly a fairly forgettable election if you look at history writ large.
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A sane adult thinks that there likely won't be an election in 2028 if Trump wins. Okay.

If he wins, he wins. If he loses, his crazy deranged devotees will do crazy deranged things and end up in prison again. Either way, life goes on for the rest of us.

Some Democrat is going to win again at some point, whether it's Vice President Harris or someone else. Then it's an existential crisis for all Republicans who are losing their country. And some Republican is going to win again at some point, whether it's Trump or whoever they have warming up in the bullpen or developing in the minor leagues. Then it's an existential crisis for all Democrats who are losing their country.

It's exhausting. It's quite frankly a fairly forgettable election if you look at history writ large.
So sending fake electors to the capitol (which have received jail terms) is normal and done before?) Link please

Trump blaming Pence for not stopping the count of electors, and now JD Vance is saying he would have stopped everything? Has the potential VP done that before?(This could cause the absence of office as above)

Once those two things happen, no votes matter.

I see your point, though. Everything is the end of the world all the time. But this time they have practiced and Trump himself said you wont have to worry about elections in 2028. Which makes sense, control the electors in the swing states, only certify the ones voting for you, when there are two sets, then you win every time all the time.

I bet you think the Russian elections are real too, though. Astounding. The other party will win sometime!

How many fake set of electors were sent last election? How many went to jail? If you don't know this then you may be willfully ignorant.
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A sane adult thinks that there likely won't be an election in 2028 if Trump wins. Okay.

If he wins, he wins. If he loses, his crazy deranged devotees will do crazy deranged things and end up in prison again. Either way, life goes on for the rest of us.

Some Democrat is going to win again at some point, whether it's Vice President Harris or someone else. Then it's an existential crisis for all Republicans who are losing their country. And some Republican is going to win again at some point, whether it's Trump or whoever they have warming up in the bullpen or developing in the minor leagues. Then it's an existential crisis for all Democrats who are losing their country.

It's exhausting. It's quite frankly a fairly forgettable election if you look at history writ large.
That's some pretty crazy logical inconsistency there. If he wins, nothing bad could possibly happen? Talk about putting your head in the sand.

The plan to have a soft coups almost worked last time. I'm betting there's a more concerted effort this time to consolidate power.

But what's truly worrisome is the stated objective of punishing political and legal opponents the moment Trump gets in office. Regardless of anything else that may or may not happen under Trump, you know that one is an absolute certainty. Do you care to explain your lack of concern for imprisoning political opponents? It's one step away from a Putin regime, and you know how he and Trump are best buds (Woodward's report on them staying in regular contact AFTER Trump left the white house was chilling).

Handwaive everything if you want to, but at this point I can't take a single thing you say seriously.
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Sorry, I should have provided some context if you didn't click over to that other thread. The comment had nothing to do with Biden or Democrats. It had to do with a Trump presidency compared to a theoretical presidency of an inanimate object.
It was a Simpsons quip lol. And if you saw the episode you would know the greatness of the inanimate carbon rod, so don't be judging the rod until you've seen its greatness in action. I feel like the rod would definitely bring more great things to humanity than Trump.
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So sending fake electors to the capitol (which have received jail terms) is normal and done before?) Link please

Trump blaming Pence for not stopping the count of electors, and now JD Vance is saying he would have stopped everything? Has the potential VP done that before?(This could cause the absence of office as above)

Once those two things happen, no votes matter.

I see your point, though. Everything is the end of the world all the time. But this time they have practiced and Trump himself said you wont have to worry about elections in 2028. Which makes sense, control the electors in the swing states, only certify the ones voting for you, when there are two sets, then you win every time all the time.

I bet you think the Russian elections are real too, though. Astounding. The other party will win sometime!

How many fake set of electors were sent last election? How many went to jail? If you don't know this then you may be willfully ignorant.
No link available. I don't think that's ever happened before.

It is kind of comical to me that most of the people in Congress who were objecting - which in isolation is absolutely fine; the process wouldn't exist if not to hear objections - didn't support Trump until they saw him as a path to cementing their own power.

Senator Vance included. This came out a few days ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/polit...ion/index.html

I don't know much about the procedural side of it. I thought the secretaries of each state had to certify their state's votes and then it was (prior to 2020) largely a procedural thing in the Congress to certify it.

The Russian elections are real inasmuch as they happened. The result is a foregone conclusion, though, so there's no integrity. I don't think the various states will allow that to happen until the complete breakdown of the US. Which will happen, but extremely likely not in our lifetimes.

These presidents are not dictators as much as they can try to use (or, in the case of January 6, NOT use) the bully pulpit as they see fit. I'm personally more interested in CA-40 and our county and state races since I live here. But for people in other countries, I can understand why all that matters is the occupant of the White House.
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It was a Simpsons quip lol. And if you saw the episode you would know the greatness of the inanimate carbon rod, so don't be judging the rod until you've seen its greatness in action. I feel like the rod would definitely bring more great things to humanity than Trump.
Ah, sorry, hah. I don't watch that show.
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Oh. I didn't listen to that video first time around and now I'm kinda curious.


I was walking around a junior golf tournament last weekend with a pretty crazy tiger mom who was chatting a lot about our kids' golf. Then out of the blue on the back 9, she asked me if I've ever heard about furries.

It was so out of the blue, I was taken aback, and didn't really know how to respond. I tried to figure out where she was going with this and then she got into asking what about people identifying as cats and dogs.
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And now googling around, I see this is yet another ridiculous right wing conspiracy.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...ol-1234948434/

That's so disappointing. I walked away thinking she was furry curious and thought she was at least a little bit interesting!
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It was a Simpsons quip lol. And if you saw the episode you would know the greatness of the inanimate carbon rod, so don't be judging the rod until you've seen its greatness in action. I feel like the rod would definitely bring more great things to humanity than Trump.
I would vote for the Carbon Rod over trump
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That's some pretty crazy logical inconsistency there. If he wins, nothing bad could possibly happen? Talk about putting your head in the sand.
Talk about logical inconsistency. I said if he wins, he wins. I did not say "if he wins, nothing bad could possibly happen". There is a contrast in the paragraph to what will happen if he loses.

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The plan to have a soft coups almost worked last time. I'm betting there's a more concerted effort this time to consolidate power.

But what's truly worrisome is the stated objective of punishing political and legal opponents the moment Trump gets in office. Regardless of anything else that may or may not happen under Trump, you know that one is an absolute certainty. Do you care to explain your lack of concern for imprisoning political opponents? It's one step away from a Putin regime, and you know how he and Trump are best buds (Woodward's report on them staying in regular contact AFTER Trump left the white house was chilling).

Handwaive everything if you want to, but at this point I can't take a single thing you say seriously.
Obama did a 'great job' and Trump wiped it all out in one term according to Democrats. Then Trump did a 'great job' and Biden wiped it all out in one term according to Republicans. Whatever they're doing is fairly inconsequential if it can be wiped out that easily according to whoever's out of power.

Both parties will win and lose in the future. So "handwaive" that, I guess. Or keep running on the hamster wheel and fall for the sensationalism. Your call.
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Ah, sorry, hah. I don't watch that show (The Simpsons).
Okay, well now I just think you're a bot. That's not possible if you've lived here and had access to programming in the last 35 years.
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Okay, well now I just think you're a bot. That's not possible if you've lived here and had access to programming in the last 35 years.
Lol, so rude. If you want to watch it, watch it! Have fun!

It's least common denominator programming. I've seen it about twice when I was a child at someone else's house and had limited control over my own fate. It was enough.
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Talk about logical inconsistency. I said if he wins, he wins. I did not say "if he wins, nothing bad could possibly happen". There is a contrast in the paragraph to what will happen if he loses.



Obama did a 'great job' and Trump wiped it all out in one term according to Democrats. Then Trump did a 'great job' and Biden wiped it all out in one term according to Republicans. Whatever they're doing is fairly inconsequential if it can be wiped out that easily according to whoever's out of power.

Both parties will win and lose in the future. So "handwaive" that, I guess. Or keep running on the hamster wheel and fall for the sensationalism. Your call.
But...that's just not true. Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is still in place, and that's a major policy. Trump's corporate tax cuts are still in place (and will be for some time) and that's a major policy.

I don't base my concerns over the rhetoric on either side. I look past the empty promises during campaigns and I look to the character of the individuals who are running.

Do I believe that Trump will do everything in his power to be vindictive and punish those that he has conflict with? Yes. What do I have as evidence. His entire history as a person on this planet. He even does this to his own party, which is why everyone has to bend the knee and become a sycophant to survive under his regime. Look up a few posts to the JD Vance clip where he can't even address the question of Trump losing the election. That's pure fear of retribution on display.

It's bothersome to me that people still don't perceive Trump as a real danger. He's only given us evidence of it time and time again. This is not the status quo. This is not normal politics. This is not the "binders of women" fake controversy that happened with Mitt Romney.

Trump is a real and present threat to American democracy. What do I have as evidence? January 6th.

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But...that's just not true. Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is still in place, and that's a major policy. Trump's corporate tax cuts are still in place (and will be for some time) and that's a major policy.

I don't base my concerns over the rhetoric on either side. I look past the empty promises during campaigns and I look to the character of the individuals who are running.

Do I believe that Trump will do everything in his power to be vindictive and punish those that he has conflict with? Yes. What do I have as evidence. His entire history as a person on this planet. He even does this to his own party, which is why everyone has to bend the knee and become a sycophant to survive under his regime. Look up a few posts to the JD Vance clip where he can't even address the question of Trump losing the election. That's pure fear of retribution on display.

It's bothersome to me that people still don't perceive Trump as a real danger. He's only given us evidence of it time and time again. This is not the status quo. This is not normal politics. This is not the "binders of women" fake controversy that happened with Mitt Romney.

Trump is a real and present threat to American democracy. What do I have as evidence? January 6th.

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Yes, President Bush misunderestimated his strategery on the delivery of that joke. Same thing with the President Obama breathalyzer, inhalator, and 57 states and all that. Again, it's like a sports game where each fan base can't wait to say, "See? See? So-and-so is laughable!" They are human beings and will mess up. I wouldn't ever want that job.

I can see good and bad things about both the ACA and the tax cuts. I don't think either of them meant harm to the country.

Whether Trump wins or loses, we will be right back to this in 2028 with someone meaner and more scary than him. Maybe even your book banning bathroom bill governor.
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