Israel declares war on Hamas

[Looch City]

Great, now Israel's gonna bomb Vancouver.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Another article on the demonstrations in Vancouver.

https://apple.news/A44_rMFJgTp2Pup0qT1Kilw

Not sure I have ever seen the Canadian flag burned.

In all societies, freedom of speech has suffered when countries are on a war footing.
Hostilities may not have been declared, but if you don’t think Canada is in a fight for all it holds dear, you should watch the forces of radical Islam calling for the death of Canada on the streets of Vancouver, while holding the remnants of a burned Maple Leaf flag.

Why do we need to post such sensationalist editorials

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I wasn't taking issue with the poll, or the article. It was Pepper's incorrect summary sentence, which I bolded to indicate that was what I was speaking to. This sentence is not what the article or polls say.

Poll shows most Canadians, but not youth, support Israel

To me, it shows Pepper is either pushing an incorrect narrative on purpose, or has poor reading comprehension.

Just pasting what google search had…..that was title from national post to link. Not my title.

[Bownesian]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Just pasting what google search had…..that was title from national post to link. Not my title.

Probably a bad early headline then. The current one is much closer to true.

[Language]

Originally Posted by GGG

Why do we need to post such sensationalist editorials

What do you mean? Do you think this is normal and should be allowed? Radical Islam is a huge issue (don’t think it’s really debatable), and the undertones of the people protesting, especially what you saw in Vancouver, sure don’t give me peace loving hippies vibes.

Are we just supposed to ignore these people and let them act out in public like this? At what point do one of these idiots actually decide to go jihadi based on their extremist views?

I get there’s a fine line in western democracies relating to free speech, but burning the flag of the country you reside in, while yelling in support for terrorist organizations, all while masked up, really seems like it’s swung across the pendulum.


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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

What do you mean? Do you think this is normal and should be allowed? Radical Islam is a huge issue (don’t think it’s really debatable), and the undertones of the people protesting, especially what you saw in Vancouver, sure don’t give me peace loving hippies vibes.

Are we just supposed to ignore these people and let them act out in public like this? At what point do one of these idiots actually decide to go jihadi based on their extremist views?

I get there’s a fine line in western democracies relating to free speech, but burning the flag of the country you reside in, while yelling in support for terrorist organizations, all while masked up, really seems like it’s swung across the pendulum.


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I believe the classical liberal response would be, “You don’t have a right not to be hated” and that yes, in fact, these people should just be ignored.

I also believe this toxic, hateful rhetoric and display should be totally condemned and have no place in Canada. Unfortunately, my reality is that how serious it’s taken directly correlates to the makeup of the individuals making the display. If they’re Christian enough, and maybe a little bit whiter, certain party leaders will even snap a smiling picture with them.

[Manhattanboy]

My Jewish friends are taking these people pretty seriously. And their kids are rather frightened.

But ya reminds me of that vintage SNL skit where Eddie Murphy dressed up as Mr White. For Halloween these losers should ditch their masks, sunglasses and balaclavas and burn their flags and chant their hateful slogans in suits, ties and party dresses. That would be pretty funny.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Language

What do you mean? Do you think this is normal and should be allowed? Radical Islam is a huge issue (don’t think it’s really debatable), and the undertones of the people protesting, especially what you saw in Vancouver, sure don’t give me peace loving hippies vibes.

Are we just supposed to ignore these people and let them act out in public like this? At what point do one of these idiots actually decide to go jihadi based on their extremist views?

I get there’s a fine line in western democracies relating to free speech, but burning the flag of the country you reside in, while yelling in support for terrorist organizations, all while masked up, really seems like it’s swung across the pendulum.

The article was hyperbolic garbage designed to inflame rather than discuss the topic. In particular the quoted section suggesting the suspension of liberties because we are on war footing is particularly unfounded. Canada is not currently in a fight for all we hold dear. That language is designed to appeal to the populist ideal that Canada used to be good. It also trys to tie these people into aboriginal groups who protest colonialism.

The article also doesn’t support its conclusion. It advocates for police enforcement of hate speech laws and cites previous enforcement of hate speech laws. It provides no evidence to support its conclusion.


As to what I think they should do? Continue to enforce existing laws for hate speech and continue to place organizations on terrorist list as evidence is found to support it. There is no need to be on war footing and suspend liberties to fight for all we hold dear.

As an aside flag burning is not uncommon in aboriginal protests and in my opinion should be protected expression. Just the flag burning part not the supporting terrorism groups part.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The pretty simple answer based on the survey is that the majority aren’t aware it’s been designated a terrorist organization or wrongly believe it isn’t.

Nice that students can claim ignorance on that one. Hopefully they are just starting University and not on their way out. They have a lot to learn.

I can understand support for Palestinian causes, but to support Hamas - no, sorry, not being smart enough to know that they are a terrorist organization is no reason to support them. I mean, if you are going to support them, wouldn’t you want to somewhat educate yourself on what you are supporting?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Nice that students can claim ignorance on that one. Hopefully they are just starting University and not on their way out. They have a lot to learn.

I can understand support for Palestinian causes, but to support Hamas - no, sorry, not being smart enough to know that they are a terrorist organization is no reason to support them. I mean, if you are going to support them, wouldn’t you want to somewhat educate yourself on what you are supporting?

Well, not knowing they’re a terrorist organization may not be a reason to support them, but it might eliminate a reason why you wouldn’t support them.

But with the extremely low bar of commitment required to be considered “supporting” something (in this case, answering a poll question) I’m not sure what your hang up is. It’s not like people supportive of Israel OR Hamas are required to have some sort of education on the subject to answer the poll. And in fact, people who incorrectly thought Hamas hadn’t been declared a terrorist organization were just as likely to support Israel.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843501392344035531

Apparently this idiots name is Charlotte Kates.

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Another article on the demonstrations in Vancouver.

https://apple.news/A44_rMFJgTp2Pup0qT1Kilw

Not sure I have ever seen the Canadian flag burned.

Originally Posted by GGG

Why do we need to post such sensationalist editorials

If I were to say death to any country or state that houses hamas and burn their flag inside their borders I would be tortured and burned, shot, or stoned to death.

But our horrible country, where we all deserve to die, will just write terrible, sensationalist articles about it.... the nerve.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

If I were to say death to any country or state that houses hamas and burn their flag inside their borders I would be tortured and burned, shot, or stoned to death.

But our horrible country, where we all deserve to die, will just write terrible, sensationalist articles about it.... the nerve.

I was not aware better than Hamas was the standard we should hold ourselves to.

You did entirely miss the point of my post though which was clarified in my follow up to Language

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GGG

I was not aware better than Hamas was the standard we should hold ourselves to.

You did entirely miss the point of my post though which was clarified in my follow up to Language

But you seemed significantly more offended by the posting of the op ed and the views of the writer than the gross demonstration itself? Certainly based on word count.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

But you seemed significantly more offended by the posting of the op ed and the views of the writer than the gross demonstration itself? Certainly based on word count.

I stuggle with anything to add. What more is there to say then that behaviour is disgusting. If someone was suggesting that this behaviour is fine I would be arguing against that. I didn’t respond to the first article you posted on it because I think what the government and police are doing is appropriate in response. They are investigating so not much more to comment yet.

You’re a member of the group that is directly being threatened by these groups. What would you like to see in response? Does it add value for you to see others condemn obviously disgusting behaviour?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Nice that students can claim ignorance on that one. Hopefully they are just starting University and not on their way out. They have a lot to learn.

I can understand support for Palestinian causes, but to support Hamas - no, sorry, not being smart enough to know that they are a terrorist organization is no reason to support them. I mean, if you are going to support them, wouldn’t you want to somewhat educate yourself on what you are supporting?

Well at least they can claim ignorance.

You're claiming to be educated yet you continue to support terrorism.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You’re a member of the group that is directly being threatened by these groups. What would you like to see in response? Does it add value for you to see others condemn obviously disgusting behaviour?

Adds vaIue in that it feeds his victim complex.

Children being slaughtered on a daily basis and not a peep out of him. Nothing about the fear and terror they have been exposed to on a daily basis for a year now. But some rabid woman ranting at a demonstration and its look at this. Poor me.

[activeStick]

Another important video from another doctor who was on the ground in Gaza, this time a pediatric doctor, from Arkansas. Can tell he's shook up just walking through his experience again. He makes a point around how medical supplies and drugs in fact are being blocked by Israel, providing his own account when he was able to successfully procure a bunch of supplies and drugs, saying that everything that was coming through to save the lives of children was denied at the border, contrary to what some are saying.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1843706858294702371

[Fuzz]

I think it's fair enough to be upset when people in your own country are calling for your death. We should be upset when that happens, because it isn't acceptable. It's also an opportunity to understand what would make someone feel this way, so you can address it without violence. Something the author of the article had no interest in doing, and something I think that we fail to do at our own peril.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Adds vaIue in that it feeds his victim complex.

Children being slaughtered on a daily basis and not a peep out of him. Nothing about the fear and terror they have been exposed to on a daily basis for a year now. But some rabid woman ranting at a demonstration and its look at this. Poor me.

This is unnecessary, there are real consequences to the rise of anti-semitism and the rise in Islamophobia in Canada. So if there is something a bystander on a message board who doesn’t face these consequences can do to make someone feel more safe or acknowledged it’s easy to make a small change.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GGG

I stuggle with anything to add. What more is there to say then that behaviour is disgusting. If someone was suggesting that this behaviour is fine I would be arguing against that. I didn’t respond to the first article you posted on it because I think what the government and police are doing is appropriate in response. They are investigating so not much more to comment yet.

You’re a member of the group that is directly being threatened by these groups. What would you like to see in response? Does it add value for you to see others condemn obviously disgusting behaviour?

Agree for sure. Here in Calgary I have been impressed for years by the efforts and seriousness of the police and others when it comes to this kind of thing. And the work being done by people in the community relations groups of many faiths. At an event on Monday at one of the local synagogues marking the anniversary of October 7 there was broad support from the wide community and people do appreciate it. Kind of sad that there has to be police at the entrance but I always make a point of thanking them for being there.