[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[flame4life]

Came here for the overreaction on waiving Pelletier… left satisfied. Come on… if after six years you haven’t grabbed a spot by the horns, I would expect this as the result. Not sure why anyone is surprised.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

and then you have the guys that are coming, who have more potential:

Stromgren (maybe already passed him)
Suniev
Gridin
Basha

Now add Battaglia

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by NewFan

They should waive Huberdeau. Contract status doesn't matter. It's about earning a spot.

waiving Huberdeau's little buddy will just be another excuse for another 50 point at best season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by NewFan

They should waive Huberdeau. Contract status doesn't matter. It's about earning a spot.

You must really be a NewFan

[Junglist]

“Newfan”. Sure…

[saillias]

Always liked Pelletier and it's not necessarily the end. He cracked Darryl's roster and provided some juice and enthusiasm to that team when things were glum. It kind of seems like there's some revisionism that he's never showed anything. What is possible is he just needs a month or two of AHL time to rediscover his game.

[FleeceGang]

Isn't this, in theory, good asset management? Slipping Pelts through waivers on the last day before the season stars while every other team is trying to do the same makes a lot of sense to me. Also, just because he clears waivers doesn't necessarily mean he is headed to the AHL. Pelts could stay with the big club for 30 days or 10 games played before needing to be put through waivers again. If he clears tomorrow he could still be on the team and get a few games to see if he fits. Better to send him through today than at the end of the/mid-month when he's the only guy on the list and every team has had time to assess their rosters.

Gotta love the doom and gloom over reactions. People forget that waivers =/= being sent down. If he's claimed that's unfortunate but it sure as heck isn't a guarantee.

[CroCop]

Man this kid was supposed to be Brad Marchand 2.0 for us. Not so much now, it just sucks when 1st rounders don’t pan out. When there’s competition from within and your not good enough this is what happens.

[FleeceGang]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Here are the wingers under 25 who have passed Pelletier:

Zary
Pospisil
Honzek
Coronato
Klapka

Isn't this ambiguous especially if Zary and Pospisil are slated to be (or are being tried as) centers? Additionally, Pelts is known to play a solid 200ft game, he isn't necessarily a scoring winger. Half of the players listed (minus Klapka, Stromgren, and maybe Zary and Pospisil) are considered scoring wingers, or at the very least offensive wingers. Having a balance of player types is important to team construction. Do we want to end up like Edmonton where all we focus on is offense? A goal prevented = a goal for, and you need responsible low event players to help achieve that to some extent. Pelts fits into the backlund/coleman architype of players responsible in their own zone that play with a bit of a snarl. To me, you need those kind of players sprinkled throughout the line up, not everyone needs to be a high flying scorer.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out but to claim that Pelts has been passed strictly based on "nhl games played" especially after two seasons derailed by injury (especially since he was penciled into the line up last season but lost the season in the first preseason game) seems an aggressive stance to take.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FleeceGang

Isn't this ambiguous especially if Zary and Pospisil are slated to be (or are being tried as) centers? Additionally, Pelts is known to play a solid 200ft game, he isn't necessarily a scoring winger. Half of the players listed (minus Klapka, Stromgren, and maybe Zary and Pospisil) are considered scoring wingers, or at the very least offensive wingers. Having a balance of player types is important to team construction. Do we want to end up like Edmonton where all we focus on is offense? A goal prevented = a goal for, and you need responsible low event players to help achieve that to some extent. Pelts fits into the backlund/coleman architype of players responsible in their own zone that play with a bit of a snarl. To me, you need those kind of players sprinkled throughout the line up, not everyone needs to be a high flying scorer.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out but to claim that Pelts has been passed strictly based on "nhl games played" especially after two seasons derailed by injury (especially since he was penciled into the line up last season but lost the season in the first preseason game) seems an aggressive stance to take.

Its not....its based on how he played this camp vs those guys.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Have to remember that Pelletier could get claimed, and if he doesn’t pan out with the other team they can waive him and allow us to reclaim him and instantly be added on the Wranglers. Doubt Conroy is too worried, there was a great camp for quite a few people. Pelletier simply was outplayed. If some team wants to claim a player based on draft pedigree then so be it.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Man this kid was supposed to be Brad Marchand 2.0 for us. Not so much now, it just sucks when 1st rounders don’t pan out. When there’s competition from within and your not good enough this is what happens.

Not everyone has what it takes to lick faces and bite fingers.

[edslunch]

Is Hanley a placeholder for a waiver pickup?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Or yes, and Hanley earned spot because he was better than Brush and Grush.

Team positions based a two week trial period is absolutely madness. Not taking other factors into the decision would be just insanity. The Calgary Flames, or any franchise, has ever based their team on the training camp alone.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Is Hanley a placeholder for a waiver pickup?

He's a depth blueliner who's been in the leauge for the last five years with 200 games experience. He's in the pressbox and travels with the team while younger players are on the farm.

[renny]

I like Pelletier, but he didn't do anything in this camp to force the Flames' hand while Honzek and Klapka both did. Sadly, the spots had to be earned, so if you just kept Pelletier just cause he's a nice kid, well that wouldn't go over well.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its not....its based on how he played this camp vs those guys.

I’d add Honzek and Basha to that list.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Man this kid was supposed to be Brad Marchand 2.0 for us. Not so much now, it just sucks when 1st rounders don’t pan out. When there’s competition from within and your not good enough this is what happens.

Brad Marchand? What? I don’t ever recall seeing that being set as a comparable. What I recall is he was described as a smart two way winger who was also, obviously, small.

Guys his size who excel in the NHL either have game breaking ability or are elite thinkers. They usually don’t fill roles in the bottom 6.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by renny

I like Pelletier, but he didn't do anything in this camp to force the Flames' hand while Honzek and Klapka both did. Sadly, the spots had to be earned, so if you just kept Pelletier just cause he's a nice kid, well that wouldn't go over well.

That’s not how the real world works. Especially in pro sports.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Weird. Looks like 2 separate messages but if you edit one the other duplicates it

Anyways, I don’t see a strongly compelling reason why anyone would claim either

They have to pay a transfer fee (65-90 k), can’t trade them (except to another team that claimed them) and have to waive them to send them down.

One is a raw goalie with athletic ability and upside but still work to do. The other is a guy that frankly isn’t a difference maker at this point, nothing other organizations don’t have