American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[activeStick]

Just a reminder....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1842239724959776858

[DownInFlames]

I hope to live long enough to piss on his grave.

[direwolf]

If Trump were to suddenly kick the bucket from all the McDonald's he eats, it would honestly be a positive thing for the entire planet. Dude is just such a reprehensible sack of s***, I'm not even sure he classifies as human at this point.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I hope to live long enough to piss on his grave.

I’m pretty sure you’ll outlive him by many years or a few decades. His diet and lifestyle will catch him.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I’m pretty sure you’ll outlive him by many years or a few decades. His diet and lifestyle will catch him.

Honestly starting to doubt this considering he has almost made it to 80 already. He seems like a cockroach that will last far longer than expected.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I hope to live long enough to piss on his grave.

Don't bring piss to a sh-t fight.

Axl defecated near the former president's star and Hawkins, who told TMZ that he is a Democrat and dislikes Trump, said he decided to place the pile of poop on top of the star.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Honestly starting to doubt this considering he has almost made it to 80 already. He seems like a cockroach that will last far longer than expected.

His mental decline is pretty apparent at this point. I fully expect his Teflon Don luck to hold out long enough that when he's finally convicted, he won't be considered mentally competent to serve time.

Eventually he won't even know who he is. Which will yet again deny justice from taking place in that final moment.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, you just have to do something. It is convenient that I can just vote, I guess. I’m also not the one who believes this to be a humanity-ender. If it was, I would do more than just cast my vote. But you actually believe it is, so you should probably do more than just post on a Canadian hockey message board about it.

It’s also weird that you hold up the significance of posting about something on a message board while mocking actual voting. You’ve got it totally backwards.

No, it’s because you believe it’ll end humanity. If it’s that serious, you should do something about it. People can speak out all they like, but if you actually think it’s a real, immediate danger to the lives of you and your family, it seems really weird to get offended by the idea that you should do something more than nothing.

Seems rather convenient you can make it out to be the end of the world and say you’ve done your part by posting about it, doesn’t it?

Nope, I don’t.

You said this will directly impact you as a Canadian, and that’s it’s a real, immediately risk to your life. It’s therefore, if you are to be believed, as much your responsibility as it is any American.

Seems convenient to say it’s a threat to humanity and to Canada but “it’s not my responsibility.” If what you say comes true than it’s going to feel like your responsibility real quick, and you’ll probably regret doing nothing when you’re sent to risk your life to defend the Canadian border (or whatever made up scenario you envision).

For Ukraine, no, because it doesn’t directly endanger you and your family. If it did, it would be wild, yes. (People here have actually gone to fight in Ukraine and taken on people from Ukraine, by the way. People here have actually done something, and that’s without the threat being to themselves or their country. Pretty impressive.)

For climate change, it would be weird if you’re not doing anything to fight climate change as an individual. Nobody said go dedicate the rest of your life to fighting Trump. Someone just urged you to go do something, so comparing it to dedicating your whole life to fighting climate change is… weird.

Sure it does, but you’re not just speaking out about problems. You’re framing problems in a very specific way, where it actually becomes weird that you aren’t doing anything, and instead:

- talking about how it isn’t fair you should have to do something
- demanding people respect your privacy for not doing something
- making up bizarre excuses for why you can’t do something, like how it would be dangerous for you to go to the US as a Canadian (lol)

So, yeah, sorry, if you were that worried about humanity and the immediate threat this poses to your family in Canada then it would look extremely weird and childish to complain that other people get a free pass for nothing doing anything.

I don't have to do anything. You're not my boss. I don't need nor want your approval to do or not do something. Got it?

I did not mock voting. I mocked your bull#### double standard as to what it means to be "doing something". All you have to do is a quick, simple thing that costs you nothing in any way, whereas I have to do something that costs me and the people around me tremendously. Well golly gee, look how nicely that works out for you. A little too conveniently, I'd say.

As for doing something, I have perfectly good reasons for not hopping on a plane to PA. I find it weird how you continue to mock and hand wave these away like they don't matter. You come across as callous with your dismissive attitude toward things that matter to me.

That said, I am looking into how I could do some phone banking from here. But have you ever thought that a Canadian phone banking or knocking doors for an American election could backfire? If people see it as foreign election interference, don't you think people could be turned off by it? Or in some cases enraged by it?

And let's remember what we're arguing about here. You're arguing that I and the people around me should be inconvenienced and financially harmed to a huge extent just for a microscopic chance that my efforts could be what swings the election result. I'm arguing that you have no place telling me what to do when you yourself aren't willing to do the very thing you're demanding I do.

Ultimately, this is a message board, and this is the thread dedicated to discussion about US politics. Instead, it has been steered toward talking about me and putting me under a microscope simply because I said some things that made some of you uncomfortable or angry. I said what I think Trump will do if he gets back into power, and you didn't like what I had to say. Attacking the messenger because you didn't like the message is a rather weird thing to do. And I won't be responding to any more attempts at making this thread a personal discussion about me specifically. This is the kind of thing you would not like one bit if you were the one being put under such scrutiny.

This mindset of "you're the one doing the complaining, so you're the one with the responsibility to fix what you're complaining about" is flawed, ignorant, and wrong. It's the exact same mindset of the climate change denier who thinks that simply by pretending the problem isn't real, they are absolved of any responsibility to do anything about it. The person will say that only the people who complain about climate change should have all the responsibility to solve it (even though they aren't the ones causing the bulk of the problem to begin with). Or, rich people not wanting to pay taxes, they say things like only people who use social programs should be the ones funding them.

Now, here's the thing, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I say, what I think, etc. What matters is what the truth actually is. If the truth actually is that a newly re-elected Trump will send America (and with it, the balance of world power) on a irreversible path toward rampant authoritarianism, fascism, neo-Nazism, etc, then, as Canadians, we're all in serious trouble. We're all in this together. We all have responsibility to do something, or none of us do. It not "just the complainers" who should be saddled with the responsibility.

You argue that Trump will not actually do the things that I strongly believe he will do. The thing is, at the very least you have to admit that he wants to end American democracy and install himself as a dictator (and hand the baton to a hand-picked successor once he either dies or is done with the presidency). Are you going to argue that I'm wrong about that too? Because I would find it very weird for someone to disagree with me on this particular point. After 9 years of nonstop attacking the institution of democracy and elections, complaining about "massive voter fraud", claiming that there were 3 million illegal votes cast in 2016 for Clinton, launching a bogus investigation into said non-existent fraud...

And then a 6 month campaign of telling people that the election was going to be stolen from him, saying it was stolen, and working his base up into an enraged frenzy leading up to the events of January 6, 2021.

And let's not forget his meetings with Orban, and his constant praise of Putin and other authoritarian heads of state. The only reasonable conclusion is, yes, Trump is trying to end American democracy and install himself as dictator. And please don't give me the "he was president before" line. Trump on January 20, 2025, will have many things he did not have on January 20, 2017. An ultra-extreme Supreme Court acting in fealty to him, 4 years experience as president, a list of loyalists to install in key WH positions, a Project 2025 roadmap to turn America into an increasingly right-wing fascist state. He also has rage and vengeance from wrongfully thinking the legal cases against him are unfair attacks on him. And, what's more, there have been 2 attempts on his life.

So no, I don't think there's any comfort to take from the fact that American democracy survived his first presidency. He took a swing at it and almost succeeded in killing it. Next time around he and the extremist groups backing him will be much better prepared. They know exactly how to take apart the system of democracy piece by piece.

And a fascist dictatorship (the most powerful one in the world) next to us would be very bad news for us, even if they don't militarily invade us. Would you agree with at least that?

[Dion]

What da #### is going on with all these black Republicans coming out as Nazis, Robinson, Kanye, Candace Owens, now this clown?

In a tweet from 2022 that has since resurfaced, White claims that “‘bad guys” won the second world war, saying, “The bad guys won in WWII. There were no ‘good guys’ in that war. The controlling interests had a jump ball. If you look closely, you see the link between liberalism and communism in the Allied forces.”

https://heartlandsignal.com/2024/10/...s-won-in-wwii/

https://twitter.com/user/status/1842236662945890538

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I hope to live long enough to piss on his grave.

Might have to wait awhile, pricks like Trump seem able to live off hate and bigotry for a long time

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Dion

What da #### is going on with all these black Republicans coming out as Nazis, Robinson, Kanye, Candace Owens, now this clown?



https://heartlandsignal.com/2024/10/...s-won-in-wwii/

https://twitter.com/user/status/1842236662945890538

Jesus. I can’t believe that isn’t immediately disqualifying. Of course I can now, but 8 years ago that’s unthinkable

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1842287396336873800

[Dion]

Revealed: The real reason why people are leaving Donald Trump’s rallies as he is still on stage

However, interviews conducted by the Washington Post of various supporters leaving the rallies, found that among the things affecting their decision were Trump’s tardiness, the length of his speeches, and his rhetoric.

At a recent rally in Las Vegas, a Post reporter standing by the door counted more than 200 people leaving in the first 20 minutes. According to the outlet one attendee said they were still pro-Trump, but that he would have said “You’re fired” if anyone else had been as late as he was. The ex-president was reportedly an hour late taking the stage.

Anastasia Bennett, 22, told the outlet that she had become tired of the former president’s constant insults – she now intends to vote for Harris.

“It was the insults and just being an hour late,” she said.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...31a81b468&ei=6

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Dion

Revealed: The real reason why people are leaving Donald Trump’s rallies as he is still on stage





https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...31a81b468&ei=6

Again, that "people are leaving his rallies early" was a genius move from the Harris camp.

[MoneyGuy]

Sone of those people are paid to be there to boost attendance. As soon as their money shows up, they’re gone.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I'll DM you the transcript. (Formatting is weird but you'll see what I mean)

Thanks for this.

Experienced long-haul bus riders know it is imperative – even if you carry only a small suitcase, as opposed to everything you own, which is the case with many bus passengers – to find accommodations near the station, to make lugging your bags easier when you have to get back on the bus. The downside of this strategy is that bus stations are never in a great part of town. But the shadows have some bracing stories to tell, ones we hear less often.

My plan is to document the 16 days of my journey, to see whether it’s possible to ascertain the general mood of the United States in the lead-up to one of the most significant – and crazily extreme – presidential elections in its long and eventful history. A bus is an unpredictable way to cover the territory, at once dissociated and intimate, a hurtling tube over whose trajectory its passengers have only limited control.

“On a plane, you have first-class and economy,” a rider would say to me on the first day of the trip. “On a bus, you have no idea who’s on there with you.”

Should be it’s own thread!

Can basically be summarized as “people riding Greyhound are voting for Trump. Mostly in ignorance that it’ll be really really bad for them.”

He does love the low information voters!

[Dion]

GOP state Senator ‘tells Native candidate to go back to where you came from’ and stormed out of Idaho event

A Republican State Senator reportedly told a Native American candidate, “Go back to where you came from,” in a heated exchange before storming out of an Idaho forum.

Trish Carter-Goodheart, a Democratic candidate for the House District 6 seat and member of the Nez Perce Tribe, said she was “met with hateful, racist remarks” from State Senator Dan Foreman at the bipartisan forum in the north-Idaho town of Kendrick on Monday night.

Tensions rose when a question was asked about a state bill addressing discrimination, and candidates were given two minutes to answer. When Carter-Goodheart responded, she pushed back on comments made earlier that suggested discrimination is not a major issue in the state.

“I calmly pointed out that just because someone hasn’t personally experienced discrimination doesn’t mean it’s not happening,” Carter-Goodheart explained in a statement posted on Facebook. “That’s when Sen. Foreman lost all control,” she said. “His words to me: ‘I’m so sick and tired of this liberal b*******! Why don’t you go back to where you came from?!’”

“I made no, repeat no, racial slur or statement of any nature,” he said in a statement on Facebook. “The accusation made is patently false.” The Independent has contacted the Senator for further comment.

However, witnesses at the forum have come forward and claimed they heard the Republican make the comments. Representative Lori McCann told the Lewiston Tribute: “Her statement is accurate. [Carter-Goodheart] leaned over to me and said, ‘Where am I supposed to go?’”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2624473.html

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Thanks for this.



Should be it’s own thread!

Can basically be summarized as “people riding Greyhound are voting for Trump. Mostly in ignorance that it’ll be really really bad for them.”

He does love the low information voters!

I thought it was a lovely slice into Americana, for better or worse. I'm grateful that the OP shared the article. It's easy to associate acquaintances with virtually all of the characters in the tale.

When you travel around you will meet people like most of them. It's so easy to get along when you aren't hung up on one ideology or another and simply treat and respect people as human beings.

[BigThief]

[Senator Clay Davis]

Is that Elon? Kind of looks like Simple Jack to be honest.