2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Little known fact: This is the third time this exact same ref has screwed Canada at the gold cup.

This time, every sports reporting service (TSN, ESPN, SN, SW) regardless of being Canadian, American or British was absolutely disgusted at this call, and had the balls to say it during their reports.

I haven't seen such an obviously bad call in International Soccer since the Hand of God, but I think its reasonably safe to say, that this Ref will spend the rest of his career reffing MLS, because his international days are done. He is tainted goods now.

Canada should be proud of coming back in the Second half as well as they did, seeing as how they were somewhat outplayed for the majority of the game. But outplayed doesnt mean anything if they arent outscored, and in this match they werent and shouldnt have been. I hope Mexico wins the whole thing, and the States should too. No one should win a tournament when they got to the Final riding a referee.

Locke.

PS. Congrats Sowa, I guess I owe that $10.

It wasn't the ref - it was the linesman that blew the call, right?

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by troutman

It wasn't the ref - it was the linesman that blew the call, right?

It was both. Its the linesman for calling it offside and the ref for not over rulling him by seeing that it was a back pass.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by cSpooge

It was both. Its the linesman for calling it offside and the ref for not over rulling him by seeing that it was a back pass.

Wasn't he on-side, whether or not there was a back pass?

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by troutman

Wasn't he on-side, whether or not there was a back pass?

It was close and the assistant ref raised the flag right away. So in his mind he was offside. The ref still has the final say though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by troutman

Wasn't he on-side, whether or not there was a back pass?

Originally Posted by cSpooge

It was close and the assistant ref raised the flag right away. So in his mind he was offside. The ref still has the final say though.

Both true. Regardless of the Linesman's call, the Ref should have seen the obvious back-pass which automatically eliminates the possibility for offside.

[Machiavelli]

Grrr, the U.S. won. Tainted victory . . .

http://tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=211795&hubName=main

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Grrr, the U.S. won. Tainted victory . . .

http://tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=211795&hubName=main

As much as I wanted Mexico to win I have to admit that the gringo's second goal was a thing of beauty. It was a perfect first time volley. Oh well, now for a real tournament to watch, the Copa America starts next week.

[Maserati]

the yanks didn't deserve the win

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sadora

As much as I wanted Mexico to win I have to admit that the gringo's second goal was a thing of beauty. It was a perfect first time volley. Oh well, now for a real tournament to watch, the Copa America starts next week.

Yeah, but how are we going to watch it? I dont think we get any Copa America games on TV here.

Not to mention, Brazil and Argentina totally mail this tournament in and are still way better to watch than any other conference tourny.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

You can measure it with a chain

they can use a chain on the replay? technology has come a long way!

[Maserati]

copa america should be shown on gol tv

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Maserati

copa america should be shown on gol tv

yeah, it is, here is the sched for gol tv: http://www.goltv.ca/schedule/schedule.pdf

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, but how are we going to watch it? I dont think we get any Copa America games on TV here.

Not to mention, Brazil and Argentina totally mail this tournament in and are still way better to watch than any other conference tourny.

You can watch the games on Telelatino out of Toronto. I know that both Shaw and Telus carry the chanel. You can also check out this website: www.rojadirecta.com where you can watch the games through GolTV. The programming is in Spanish but it's pretty straight forward to understand as they have the name of the countries playing the games. You might just have to download some of the players to view the games...like TVants or TVU Player.
Brazil is the obvious favorite at the moment but Argentina has a pretty good squad right now that may be able to take this one. Colombia and the host Venezuela have decent teams as well. Paraguay is always decent and it will be interesting to see what invitees Mexico and the USA can do.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, but how are we going to watch it? I dont think we get any Copa America games on TV here.

Not to mention, Brazil and Argentina totally mail this tournament in and are still way better to watch than any other conference tourny.

Brazil's lineup is weak without Kaka or Ronaldinho but Argentina's is STACKED!

Arqueros: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe, España), Juan Pablo Carrizo (River Plate) y Agustín Orión (San Lorenzo).
Defensores: Roberto Ayala (Valencia, España), Javier Zanetti (Inter, Italia), Nicolás Burdisso (Inter, Italia), Hugo Ibarra (Boca Juniors), Daniel Díaz (Boca Juniors), Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza, España), Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United, Inglaterra).
Volantes: Luis González (FC Oporto, Portugal), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool, Inglaterra), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter, Italia), Fernando Gago (Real Madrid, España), Pablo Aimar (Zaragoza, España), Juan Sebastián Verón (Estudiantes de La Plata) y Juan Román Riquelme (Boca Juniors).
Delanteros: Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona, España), Hernán Crespo (Inter, Italia), Diego Milito (Zaragoza, España), Carlos Tevez (West Ham, Inglaterra) y Rodrigo Palacio (Boca Juniors).


So it's Argentina-USA on Thursday night.. any predictions?
I say 4-0 minimum.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Brazil's lineup is weak without Kaka or Ronaldinho but Argentina's is STACKED!

Arqueros: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe, España), Juan Pablo Carrizo (River Plate) y Agustín Orión (San Lorenzo).
Defensores: Roberto Ayala (Valencia, España), Javier Zanetti (Inter, Italia), Nicolás Burdisso (Inter, Italia), Hugo Ibarra (Boca Juniors), Daniel Díaz (Boca Juniors), Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza, España), Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United, Inglaterra).
Volantes: Luis González (FC Oporto, Portugal), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool, Inglaterra), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter, Italia), Fernando Gago (Real Madrid, España), Pablo Aimar (Zaragoza, España), Juan Sebastián Verón (Estudiantes de La Plata) y Juan Román Riquelme (Boca Juniors).
Delanteros: Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona, España), Hernán Crespo (Inter, Italia), Diego Milito (Zaragoza, España), Carlos Tevez (West Ham, Inglaterra) y Rodrigo Palacio (Boca Juniors).


So it's Argentina-USA on Thursday night.. any predictions?
I say 4-0 minimum.

Definitely stacked, can't wait to watch Messi, superb footballer.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Brazil's lineup is weak without Kaka or Ronaldinho but Argentina's is STACKED!

Arqueros: Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe, España), Juan Pablo Carrizo (River Plate) y Agustín Orión (San Lorenzo).
Defensores: Roberto Ayala (Valencia, España), Javier Zanetti (Inter, Italia), Nicolás Burdisso (Inter, Italia), Hugo Ibarra (Boca Juniors), Daniel Díaz (Boca Juniors), Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza, España), Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United, Inglaterra).
Volantes: Luis González (FC Oporto, Portugal), Javier Mascherano (Liverpool, Inglaterra), Esteban Cambiasso (Inter, Italia), Fernando Gago (Real Madrid, España), Pablo Aimar (Zaragoza, España), Juan Sebastián Verón (Estudiantes de La Plata) y Juan Román Riquelme (Boca Juniors).
Delanteros: Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona, España), Hernán Crespo (Inter, Italia), Diego Milito (Zaragoza, España), Carlos Tevez (West Ham, Inglaterra) y Rodrigo Palacio (Boca Juniors).


So it's Argentina-USA on Thursday night.. any predictions?
I say 4-0 minimum.

Jesus! Talk about talent! Argentina is easily the favorite to win... I'm surprised they threw out all the stops for Copa... typically the big teams send their B squad and/or some young guys (and still win).

[mrdeeds]

I used to want the US to win in soccer, but not now. There were a washout in the WC and were fortunate to win the Gold Cup. I have little doubt they will get slaughtered.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by mrdeeds

I used to want the US to win in soccer, but not now. There were a washout in the WC and were fortunate to win the Gold Cup. I have little doubt they will get slaughtered.

I wouldn't exactly call the US a washout in the World Cup... that was not exactly an easy group they were in... they had the eventual winners, Italy, Ghana (who were shockingly resilient) and the Czechs (who were just as unlucky against Italy and Ghana).

The Gold Cup "offside" was unfortunate, but it happens a lot. Human error is an understood part of the game, and teams have to be thoughtful of it. The play looked offside at first glance. I thought it was a fair call until they started showing replays... however, that sort of thing happens every week in club competitions.

They will get totalled in Copa though. The US doesn't fare well against the Latin teams away from home... especially with that freaking dream team Argentina is sending.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I wouldn't exactly call the US a washout in the World Cup... that was not exactly an easy group they were in... they had the eventual winners, Italy, Ghana (who were shockingly resilient) and the Czechs (who were just as unlucky against Italy and Ghana).

The Gold Cup "offside" was unfortunate, but it happens a lot. Human error is an understood part of the game, and teams have to be thoughtful of it. The play looked offside at first glance. I thought it was a fair call until they started showing replays... however, that sort of thing happens every week in club competitions.

They will get totalled in Copa though. The US doesn't fare well against the Latin teams away from home... especially with that freaking dream team Argentina is sending.

Ghana = one of the best groups of young talent in the world right now. That was a burtal group, plenty of great players.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

Ghana = one of the best groups of young talent in the world right now. That was a burtal group, plenty of great players.

They are, but I don't think a lot of us realized that until we saw them take down the Czechs and Americans, as well as hold their own against the Italians on a global stage.