[News] Solovyov on waivers UPDATE: clears, assigned to Wranglers

[Robbob]

This thread had all the making to be Jason Morgan part deux.

[McG]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I think we need to play every prospect on the first line, never sign vets, play competitive enough to cash flow to the cap but also tank and be the worst team in the league but also win most games so I keep interested and also need the organization to run like this to not be a laughing stock to attract top free agent talent that we don't really want to supplant prospects but only so we can trade them for draft picks at the deadline that when picked need to make the team first year and be on the first two lines.

You forgot winning useless games to maintain culture of winning. Other than that, I’m onboard!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Wranglers play in calgary

OMG I am stupid. And I should know better as the previous President is a friend of mine. Consider it a senior moment.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

OMG I am stupid. And I should know better as the previous President is a friend of mine. Consider it a senior moment.

Don't worry, I forgot completely about it until someone on here made a comment earlier this week about how much easier it is for the players if they're called up/sent down now and I had to think about it for a good minute before I realized

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by butterfly

And they know that, or should know. Though deadline deals for players like these seemed to be Treliving's favorite use of mid-round picks.

It's maddening when they give up a 1/15 chance at a Johnny Gaudreau or Theo Fleury for 8 games of Ryan Carpenter or whatever it was.

NHL GMs are clairovoyant? Do they know exactly how their team and other teams will perform throughout the season? Why make any trades during the season? They should already know what they need.

Also, even the rich teams are subject to the salary cap and roster limits.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Not saying they won't, but it's baffling to me why teams waste picks on players like this at the deadline instead of straight up signing them.

I haven’t seen this answer yet, but if you trade for someone with 3/4 of the season already gone, you only need to account for 1/4 of the cap hit. That’s why the players are more valuable then. You get the player for 1/4 of the season plus the entirety of the playoffs for their cap hit.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Did Solo clear? Has he been signed to Quad City yet?

The Omaha Ak-Sar-Ben Knights

[Calgary4LIfe]

Relieved that Solovyov cleared. I think he will be back up sooner rather than later. Really hope he takes a good step forward this season - great size, good mobility, physical and seems to have a good defensive mindset. Moves the puck decently too. Just needs to take a small step in each area, and it will lead to him being a regular NHL'er. The last game he played I thought really showed how good he could be, but that he was also not quite there yet. I thought he made some very good defensive plays, moved the puck as well as anyone on the backend, was solid physically... but then would have a series of hiccups where he turned the puck over unnecessarily, and made a couple of really poor defensive plays. I think he is 'almost there'. I think he is going to be a player.


Whether or not he is a long-term piece for this franchise is a different story. Flames will have a lot of young talent coming through over the next few seasons, so he will have to take some big steps to stay a part of this team. I really like the overall package, however. Can't help but really cheer for this kid.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by D as in David

NHL GMs are clairovoyant? Do they know exactly how their team and other teams will perform throughout the season? Why make any trades during the season? They should already know what they need.

Also, even the rich teams are subject to the salary cap and roster limits.

You don't have to be clairvoyant to know that:

Teams that might not be interested in Barrie now might have a different opinion come the deadline.

Which is true and what I was replying to. They should know that they may need someone at the deadline and instead of piddling away draft picks in a panic, a rich team can pay them league minimum, same salary in the AHL, and leave them in the AHL.

To me, it's as obvious as having a case of water in the house. Of course you aren't going to drink all of them now, but you know you will be thirsty later and plan for it instead of panicking and overpaying.

Originally Posted by John Doe

I haven’t seen this answer yet, but if you trade for someone with 3/4 of the season already gone, you only need to account for 1/4 of the cap hit. That’s why the players are more valuable then. You get the player for 1/4 of the season plus the entirety of the playoffs for their cap hit.

My understanding is that you need to be accruing salary space by having a below-cap team during the first 3/4 of the season for this to be the case, but I may be wrong on that.

[Jason14h]

Players don’t want to play in the AHL . They want to prove themselves in the NHl and earn themselves another contract after this year

That isn’t rocket science

(Not to mention playing in the AHL and taking buses , worse facilities and hotels , etc is way less desirable for a vet)

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Players don’t want to play in the AHL . They want to prove themselves in the NHl and earn themselves another contract after this year

That isn’t rocket science

Anyone good enough for that has a contract and doesn't need to rely on a PTO. I don't think Tyson Barrie is any better than Ilya Solovyov - both of whom could have been signed to an NHL deal by any team without giving anything up.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by butterfly

My understanding is that you need to be accruing salary space by having a below-cap team during the first 3/4 of the season for this to be the case, but I may be wrong on that.

Kind of. Cap space is tolled daily. So if a player is making a million dollars, if you add him 3/4 into the season, his cap remaining is only 250K. You either have that room or you not.



But if you are under the cap, you accrue more cap space to use at the deadline, and thus you could add more players. It's why teams try so hard to not go into LTIR if they can help it.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Anyone good enough for that has a contract and doesn't need to rely on a PTO. I don't think Tyson Barrie is any better than Ilya Solovyov - both of whom could have been signed to an NHL deal by any team without giving anything up.

Yet there's players who end up getting signed to an NHL contract because of their PTO. So they are good enough.

You might not think that Barrie is better than Solovyov but if they do in fact sign him obviously the Flames do.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Ped

Kind of. Cap space is tolled daily. So if a player is making a million dollars, if you add him 3/4 into the season, his cap remaining is only 250K. You either have that room or you not.



But if you are under the cap, you accrue more cap space to use at the deadline, and thus you could add more players. It's why teams try so hard to not go into LTIR if they can help it.

Okay, that makes sense. So in order to have that $250k available, you must have been under cumulatively by $83,333 per day on average for the entire season to that point, or else move out salary to get to that number?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yet there's players who end up getting signed to an NHL contract because of their PTO. So they are good enough.

You might not think that Barrie is better than Solovyov but if they do in fact sign him obviously the Flames do.

Which one of them is better is kind of immaterial if the Flames can extract a draft pick out of a silly team with Barrie. That part I'm on board with.

One of the unintended(?) consequences of implementing the salary cap is that the best players in the world don't all play in the NHL. The worst player in the NHL is not better than the best player in the European leagues or KHL.

There are scrubs and fodder in the NHL that an AHL player in every team's system can easily replicate. Who was the last PTO the Flames had that worked? Rieder? That worked, and then it didn't, and now he's out of the league. Not a bad player, but it is really hard to tell the difference between the 600th and 700th best player. They're fungible.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Which one of them is better is kind of immaterial if the Flames can extract a draft pick out of a silly team with Barrie. That part I'm on board with.

One of the unintended(?) consequences of implementing the salary cap is that the best players in the world don't all play in the NHL. The worst player in the NHL is not better than the best player in the European leagues or KHL.

There are scrubs and fodder in the NHL that an AHL player in every team's system can easily replicate. Who was the last PTO the Flames had that worked? Rieder? That worked, and then it didn't, and now he's out of the league. Not a bad player, but it is really hard to tell the difference between the 600th and 700th best player. They're fungible.

The Flames potentially signing Barrie and sending Solovyov down has nothing to do with the salary cap. Barrie is probably signing for more than $775,000. It has more to do with experience. They obviously don't feel Solovyov is ready. Atleast not to start the season.

[Ped]

There's no shortage of desperate GMs who will overpay, especially at the deadline, even with Jim Benning out of work. Shane O'Brien was once traded for a 1st round pick. So was Paul Gaustad. Remember the haul Jeannot got.


It wouldn't take a stretch to see someone giving up something, even a little something for Barrie.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The Flames potentially signing Barrie and sending Solovyov down has nothing to do with the salary cap. Barrie is probably signing for more than $775,000. It has more to do with experience. They obviously don't feel Solovyov is ready. Atleast not to start the season.

Yeah, clearly, since they have no incentive to be a cap team at this stage of the rebuild.

If you think Barrie is the best unsigned UFA player in hockey, I mean, okay I guess. You might be right. My point is that there isn't enough of a dropoff between the 192nd best and 193rd best D to warrant any draft pick. If any GM thinks there is when the deadline rolls around, I'm happy for the Flames to take advantage of them.

My own opinion is that I doubt Barrie has any more value than Dennis Gilbert or Nick DeSimone. At least those two tried to defend.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by butterfly

My point is that there isn't enough of a dropoff between the 192nd best and 193rd best D to warrant any draft pick.

Yet there's a decent chance that some team might be interested in picking him up at the deadline for depth. And if there isn't then oh well.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

My favourite point of pedantry. The current timezone used in areas adhering to "Eastern Time" is "Eastern Daylight Time", or "EDT". They will flip to "Eastern Standard Time", or "EST" in November.

If you want to never have to think about this (and overall avoid being confusing or making inadvertent errors around the time change), just use "ET".