2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I've seen limited Honzek, but in limited views he hasn't looked impressive speed wise. Am I incorrect in that assumption?

I have seen Honzek play multiple times live and watched his WJC etc, his speed and skating is one of his best qualities. Especially his crossover speed when coming out of corners or getting to the net. He has very impressive edges and quick turns, more so than straight line speed.

For example look at his speed at 5:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKFqmHVtIeY, that's just a couple strides and crossover and he's at top speed

[DeluxeMoustache]

We will see how Kuzmenko does in terms of shooting percentage. Sometimes there’s luck, sometimes there are reasons

I will remark that his skill with the puck and deception can help him to hang on to the puck until he sees, or creates, a good opportunity.

Also, on the game winner last night, Huska said that in the situation, he was hoping Kuz would shoot. But Kuz saw a better opportunity and made a sublime pass

Some people have above average shooting percentages due to luck, some people have skills that lend themself to an above average shooting %

We will see

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Naitix

I have seen Honzek play multiple times live and watched his WJC etc, his speed and skating is one of his best qualities. Especially his crossover speed when coming out of corners or getting to the net. He has very impressive edges and quick turns, more so than straight line speed.

For example look at his speed at 5:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKFqmHVtIeY, that's just a couple strides and crossover and he's at top speed

Huska has praised his ability to play with speed more than once through camp. His skating and pace aren't issues in his game.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think Kuzmenko has a pretty high chance of becoming another Brouwer or Neal if he signs a long term deal. Wanting to dump Andersson but re-sign Kuzmenko is mind bottling to me.

the talent level is not even close.

Kuzmenko scored 14 goals in 29 games with us including 2 of the best goals in the past 5 years here.

Brouwer scored 19 goals in 150 games here.
Neal scored 7 goals in 63 games here.

what the hell has Andersson done since one of the worst d performances in Flames playoff history against the Oilerz? That was Eloranta, Baxter, Murzyn Eriksson bad!

well besides ask for a trade outtta here!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

8 months ago Kuzmenko was a cap inclusion by the Canucks

Now hes the savior of the entertainment value for season ticket holders

A floater who bangs in some PP goals with a 24% shooting percentage with the Flames (That would have been 2nd in the NHL behind Reinhart) - Almost guaranteed to regress
Sometimes I wonder if I am watching the same hockey games as people around here!

If the Flames sign him it will be beyond stupid.

Sure try to build his value up but if anything decent is offered at any point this season take the money and run

Jesus. as if you need reminding that was one of the worst trades in Canucks history!

Bet you the Canucks were losing sleep for him against the Oilers in games 3,4,5,6 and 7 when they would have sacrificed Rick Tocchet's 20 game parlay for a pp goal! lol

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The best thing to happen is if Rasmus gets an unwarranted allstar nod like Lindholm did last year.

Can't believe how overrated he is here. He got wrecked in the Oiler's playoff series and has never been the same. Average defensively and way below average offensively to the point of being offensive.

I'll drive him to the airport in my minivan if we get a 1st rounder for him.

Have to respectfully disagree here. Rasmus has a great contract, solid possession metrics, is a righty, and plays at a 40-50 point pace without the benefit of getting much PP time. He moves the puck extremely well, stirs the pot, is a leader, and is underrated defensively. We could argue about how he looked in the Oiler series, but the whole team looked terrible. Ras has 14 points in 28 career playoff games, which ain't too shabby.

Nobody is saying that Raz is a true #1, but there are only a handful of teams in the league that wouldn't deploy him as their #2. If we're trading him, we'll get at least two prime assets, including a first.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Have to respectfully disagree here. Rasmus has a great contract, solid possession metrics, is a righty, and plays at a 40-50 point pace without the benefit of getting much PP time. He moves the puck extremely well, and is underrated defensively. We could argue about how he looked in the Oiler series, but the whole team looked terrible.

Nobody is saying that Raz is a true #1, but there are only a handful of teams in the league that wouldn't deploy him as their #2.

Then send him away for a top 2 pairing return. He doesn't want to be here and we don't want that kind of energy with the youngsters.

Playing like ass against the Oilers in the playoffs is an unforgiveable offence! Especially in here!

lol Even in the trade thread there is an E-NG and Edmonton is no good tag... haha

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

the talent level is not even close.

Kuzmenko scored 14 goals in 29 games with us including 2 of the best goals in the past 5 years here.

Neal was 30 when he signed his deal with the Flames and was an offence only guy who regressed harshly. He also had a 40 goal season and ten 20 goal seasons before he signed with the Flames. That hard to see the pattern?

People will miss Andersson once he is gone just like with Hanifin lol

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Then send him away for a top 2 pairing return. He doesn't want to be here and we don't want that kind of energy with the youngsters.

Playing like ass against the Oilers in the playoffs is an unforgiveable offence! Especially in here!

lol Even in the trade thread there is an E-NG and Edmonton is no good tag... haha

You have a weirdly strong hate for a very likeable player.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You have a weirdly strong hate for a very likeable player.

Are you an Oiler hater or not? Losing to those losers with Mike Smith in net was one of the most depressing things in here of all time. Probably cost Gaudreau and Tkachuk re-signing with us. Rasmus is the last link to that team.

We have a decades long Hate Oilers thread and I couldn't even go in it for over a year after they killed us.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Neal was 30 when he signed his deal with the Flames and was an offence only guy who regressed harshly. He also had a 40 goal season and ten 20 goal seasons before he signed with the Flames. That hard to see the pattern?

People will miss Andersson once he is gone just like with Hanifin lol

Who the eff missed Hanifin? lol

actually i've seen this story before. Run out of town all the offensively talented guys who we desperately needed on an offensively challenged team, who "couldn't play defence".

Nylander, Savard and in the early years Gaudreau.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who the eff missed Hanifin? lol

The Flames did.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Have to respectfully disagree here. Rasmus has a great contract, solid possession metrics, is a righty, and plays at a 40-50 point pace without the benefit of getting much PP time. He moves the puck extremely well, stirs the pot, is a leader, and is underrated defensively. We could argue about how he looked in the Oiler series, but the whole team looked terrible. Ras has 14 points in 28 career playoff games, which ain't too shabby.

Nobody is saying that Raz is a true #1, but there are only a handful of teams in the league that wouldn't deploy him as their #2. If we're trading him, we'll get at least two prime assets, including a first.

Ras led the Flames D in PP ice time last season. We have seen the Ras PP movie all too often. He's a poor-to-mediocre PP QB. Questionable decision making all over the ice. Heavy shot but isn't all that adept at getting it through. Poor facilitator on zone entry. He just hasn't looked all that good, and there was a reason the team moved off him to Weegar towards the end of the season (when we saw more success).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who the eff missed Hanifin? lol

actually i've seen this story before. Run out of town all the offensively talented guys who we desperately needed on an offensively challenged team, who "couldn't play defence".

Nylander, Savard and in the early years Gaudreau.

Kuzmenko is 25?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Ras led the Flames D in PP ice time last season. We have seen the Ras PP movie all too often. He's a poor-to-mediocre PP QB. Questionable decision making all over the ice. Heavy shot but isn't all that adept at getting it through. Poor facilitator on zone entry. He just hasn't looked all that good, and there was a reason the team moved off him to Weegar towards the end of the season (when we saw more success).

He led the Flames D in PP time (5th overall), but his 2:20 TOI puts him in a tie for 185th in the NHL, playing on the 7th-worst ranked PP.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You have a weirdly strong hate for a very likeable player.

He's always had one or two players he just goes after in irrational and over the top ways.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Naitix

I have seen Honzek play multiple times live and watched his WJC etc, his speed and skating is one of his best qualities. Especially his crossover speed when coming out of corners or getting to the net. He has very impressive edges and quick turns, more so than straight line speed.

For example look at his speed at 5:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKFqmHVtIeY, that's just a couple strides and crossover and he's at top speed

We’ve been educated for years about how important crossovers are on oilers broadcasts.

On topic, has there been a player on CP that’s gone from bust to “don’t send him down” faster than honzek? I can’t think of one.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who the eff missed Hanifin? lol

actually i've seen this story before. Run out of town all the offensively talented guys who we desperately needed on an offensively challenged team, who "couldn't play defence".

Nylander, Savard and in the early years Gaudreau.

Run out of town ? He’s a soon to be 29 year old UFA who plays a 1 dimensional game

He will be 31-32ish when the Flames realistically are ready to compete . You don’t need a PP specialist when you are rebuilding !

He’s just the wrong age and control for what this teams needs. No need to overpay for multiple years instead of trading for an asset

A few posters love for him on this board is truely perplexing .

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by McG

We’ve been educated for years about how important crossovers are on oilers broadcasts.

On topic, has there been a player on CP that’s gone from bust to “don’t send him down” faster than honzek? I can’t think of one.

Zary was getting close

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He's always had one or two players he just goes after in irrational and over the top ways.

When was I wrong? Guys I hated when they were here.

Butler- soft.. lol I still can't believe we went from Regher to him..
Brodie- Every mistake ended up in his net.
Giordano- Giold past his prime. still perplexed people can't understand that I hated the player in his last few years here and not Gio the man who could be one of the best Flames in history off the ice.
Bennett- IQ of a kumquat. ZERO pullups! Still i might have been wrong about him due to his playoff play..
Neal- diving piece of crap before he joined the Flames.
Lindholm- useless in the playoffs. overrated in the regular season.

and then we have these guys vs the Oilers..
Sutter, Markstrom, Hanifin, Rasmus, Mangiapane, Gudbradson,