2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If the Sabres are keeping a close eye on the Flames I don’t think it’s for Andersson. They already have, arguably, the one of the best top 4’s in the east. I think the Sabres would have interest in Coleman. Similar to the McLeod acquisition, the Sabres need depth in the middle 6/3rd line types. Depth up front hurt them last year.

They did sign a lot of depth pieces. I don't know if Coleman is a 3rd liner though.

30 goals isn't likely but he did have 2 20 goal seasons in New Jersey and 15/55 with Tampa.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They did sign a lot of depth pieces. I don't know if Coleman is a 3rd liner though.

30 goals isn't likely but he did have 2 20 goal seasons in New Jersey and 15/55 with Tampa.

Right. Let’s call him a top 9 then in this context. I think the Sabres would covet his experience, competitiveness, versatility, and leadership. He would bring something their group needs.

[sa226]

I say this as someone asking everyone to do the legwork for me.

If you want to go the prospect route, I'd start at teams, If there are any that have a log jam at center, with some excellent center prospects knocking on the door but no room for them on the roster and build a Raz deal around that. If, of course the other team has a clear Top 4 Dman need to push them into either contender status or a playoff position.

Anyone out there that kind of fits that description?

Otherwise you're looking at a draft pick package or a package similar to the Lindholm deal.

Teams just don't give up home grown high ceiling centres for even a player like Raz.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

What do they say hi about?
Only Gilmour there is a centre, and I would suggest Nieuwy was a better true "No. 1 Centre" than Gilmour.

This is the post I was responding to:

Originally Posted by My2Cents

I have said it before and I will say it again. Dont be the smartest person in the room. Just draft and develop and get as many draft picks as possible. In 2-3 years we can see where we are at positionally and organizationally and at that time you can start targeting Pinto type players. Until then draft and develop and aim for star players.

We will not win the cup without star players and we need to draft them.

People can get far too black and white in these discussions. Good players come from many sources - including trades.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I can't recall a team coming out and disclosing the money like this. Bold strategy. To me, that isn't something that would sit well with players or agents, or even in the room for that matter.

Going to be quite juicy to see what happens if what people here say is true and Korpisalo starts as the number 1 for the Bruins and comes out on fire, building up a beautiful 0.92+ save percentage winning way more than he loses behind a solid Bruins team game and system. Not even sure what happens here if the Bruins decide they really don't need him this year. I recall I think Sweeney saying something like they had until December, but I'm not sure what that date means. Do they still keep his rights even if they don't get a deal done by then? Do they keep it forever? Kind of hoping Korpisalo performs well now just to see what happens even though I am a Bruins fan for saving us in 2011.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Going to be quite juicy to see what happens if what people here say is true and Korpisalo starts as the number 1 for the Bruins and comes out on fire, building up a beautiful 0.92+ save percentage winning way more than he loses behind a solid Bruins team game and system. Not even sure what happens here if the Bruins decide they really don't need him this year. I recall I think Sweeney saying something like they had until December, but I'm not sure what that date means. Do they still keep his rights even if they don't get a deal done by then? Do they keep it forever? Kind of hoping Korpisalo performs well now just to see what happens even though I am a Bruins fan for saving us in 2011.

He isn't eligible to play if he signed after the Dec date.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Going to be quite juicy to see what happens if what people here say is true and Korpisalo starts as the number 1 for the Bruins and comes out on fire, building up a beautiful 0.92+ save percentage winning way more than he loses behind a solid Bruins team game and system. Not even sure what happens here if the Bruins decide they really don't need him this year. I recall I think Sweeney saying something like they had until December, but I'm not sure what that date means. Do they still keep his rights even if they don't get a deal done by then? Do they keep it forever? Kind of hoping Korpisalo performs well now just to see what happens even though I am a Bruins fan for saving us in 2011.

If Swayman doesn't sign by Dec 1, he's not eligible to play this season. They would still hold his rights.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by sa226

I say this as someone asking everyone to do the legwork for me.

If you want to go the prospect route, I'd start at teams, If there are any that have a log jam at center, with some excellent center prospects knocking on the door but no room for them on the roster and build a Raz deal around that. If, of course the other team has a clear Top 4 Dman need to push them into either contender status or a playoff position.

Anyone out there that kind of fits that description?

Otherwise you're looking at a draft pick package or a package similar to the Lindholm deal.

Teams just don't give up home grown high ceiling centres for even a player like Raz.

Sabres have Thomson and Cozens as top 6 C, with Ryan McLeod and Krebs as their bottom 6. All 4 are young and should be long-term building blocks for the team.

They also have Helenius, Ostlund (and potentially Kulich who most project as a winger).

If we could pry Helenius or Ostlund from the Sabres, I think it would be a major injection to our prospect pool as both have the potential to be top 6.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is the post I was responding to:



People can get far too black and white in these discussions. Good players come from many sources - including trades.

Nieuwy was a Flame pick.

But i agree.

Every single good team has players they drafted, traded for/signed as UFA.

Limiting yourself by not making deals for players because you didnt draft them is beyond foolish.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is the post I was responding to:



People can get far too black and white in these discussions. Good players come from many sources - including trades.

Recently read Doug MacLean’s book (I know…) but he states a cup contending team needs 10 internally grown players. Historically, he’s not far off the mark.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Sabres have Thomson and Cozens as top 6 C, with Ryan McLeod and Krebs as their bottom 6. All 4 are young and should be long-term building blocks for the team.

They also have Helenius, Ostlund (and potentially Kulich who most project as a winger).

If we could pry Helenius or Ostlund from the Sabres, I think it would be a major injection to our prospect pool as both have the potential to be top 6.

That’s a good example but who from the Flames would entice Buffalo to move one of those prospects? Given their top 4 is looking solid as it is, I’d be a bit surprised they would have interest in Andersson.

Does Coleman get you one of those prospects? Not on his own, I don’t think….

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Recently read Doug MacLean’s book (I know…) but he states a cup contending team needs 10 internally grown players. Historically, he’s not far off the mark.

Sounds about right. There is no question that the bulk of a good team is, and needs to be, homegrown - especially with a cap, you can't buy a winner.

But some fans get blinkers on, and think there is only one way to acquire players. Truth is, you're going to need a few additions to that homegrown core.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sounds about right. There is no question that the bulk of a good team is, and needs to be, homegrown - especially with a cap, you can't buy a winner.

But some fans get blinkers on, and think there is only one way to acquire players. Truth is, you're going to need a few additions to that homegrown core.

A broken clock is right 2x a day. That’s all you need to know about Doug Maclean. Unless you want to learn from him how to learn how to run nhl franchises into the ground.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sabres have been a team I think the Flames should be talking with as they have some compelling young forwards.

Craig should have Kevyn Adams on speed dial. After the McLeod deal with the oil where he did some good charity work. This could be his niewy deal. Deal ras for one of those skilled forwards and get that elusive difference maker. Help Buffalo make playoffs and set us up nicely.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'd be looking at teams that are near the end of their window and that might be desperate enough to trade unprotected 2027 1st round picks. I know it's hard to get excited about picks that are three drafts out, but getting more shots at drafting Landon Dupont wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'd be looking at teams that are near the end of their window and that might be desperate enough to trade unprotected 2027 1st round picks. I know it's hard to get excited about picks that are three drafts out, but getting more shots at drafting Landon Dupont wouldn't be a bad thing.

You know this is starting to feel like the OKC Thunder.

A star left them high and dry in free agency, and they tried to retool with Paul George and Russell Westrbook and failed miserably.

They started to purge the roster and bring a haul of picks and SGA who is a star and they are now one of the better young teams. The NBA is a bit different as you can still do well with 1 or 2 good players, but the process is similar and you need stars in the NHL as well.

Having a lot of picks open up the trade market for a team ready to come out of a rebuild as well.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'd be looking at teams that are near the end of their window and that might be desperate enough to trade unprotected 2027 1st round picks. I know it's hard to get excited about picks that are three drafts out, but getting more shots at drafting Landon Dupont wouldn't be a bad thing.

Looking at how promising the rebuilt goaltending and D are already starting to look, I would doubt that the Flames could succeed in bottoming out in 2026-7 for a #1 overall pick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Looking at how promising the rebuilt goaltending and D are already starting to look, I would doubt that the Flames could succeed in bottoming out in 2026-7 for a #1 overall pick.

Think he means getting a unprotected #1 in 27 could be a lottery pick for a team on the downswing from contending.

[1qqaaz]

In response to Pierre LeBrun posing a Marner for Shesterkin trade:

I just don't see it. Marner is a small, one dimensional, playoff disappointing, overpaid, pending UFA, unimportant positioned winger. I think Leaf fans are greatly overestimating his trade value.

Shesterkin is the best goalie on the planet.

I don't think they have anywhere near equal value.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Think he means getting a unprotected #1 in 27 could be a lottery pick for a team on the downswing from contending.

I believe you are correct. That would be quite the game of 3D chess, predicting exactly when a competing team would go from a contender to a lottery team without insider knowledge of their future plans.