2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Enoch Root]

Gilmour, McDonald and Mullen say hi

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ped

Pierre-Luc Dubois has 3 60 point seasons and has been traded three times, although obviously there are some other issues there.

Correct, the "other issues" kinda negate the point you're trying to make. A Dubois without the major issues would not be traded even once.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by My2Cents

I have said it before and I will say it again. Dont be the smartest person in the room. Just draft and develop and get as many draft picks as possible. In 2-3 years we can see where we are at positionally and organizationally and at that time you can start targeting Pinto type players. Until then draft and develop and aim for star players.

We will not win the cup without star players and we need to draft them.

You can buy them eventually too. We have $20 million in cap space.

[My2Cents]

Originally Posted by Goriders

You can buy them eventually too. We have $20 million in cap space.

You never get them at your peak, and regardless you overpay. We can add a top tier free agent later, but thats one of the last things we do. Gotta build up the homegrown talent for a while now.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Thornton, Forsberg, Sundin, Seguin, Kadri, O'Reilly, Carter, Miller, Schenn, Lindholm, Horvat

And if you're talking prospects, Nick Suzuki.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Thornton, Forsberg, Sundin, Seguin, Kadri, O'Reilly, Carter, Miller, Schenn, Lindholm, Horvat

How do you miss Lindros? If you’re going to include Forsberg….

How many of these guys were prospects at the time? Or, let’s say 23 or younger? How many were traded in the cap era?

Schenn and Lindholm?

Rarely, very rarely, do these types of players get traded and I doubt, very much, Rasmus Andersson gets you one of them. Young C’s are hard to acquire via trade and if they do hit the market, it would be pretty competitive to work out a deal.

Look around the league. Is Utah about to trade Logan Cooley? Marty Beniers on the move? Adam Fantili maybe didn’t put up the numbers he should have. Perhaps Columbus will bite.

I suppose you could lower expectations and look at guys like Pinto or perhaps Morgan Frost but those aren’t the guys I think this organization should be targeting. Take the picks and don’t galaxy brain this. Finish in a spot that gets you in position to draft your own first line (hopefully superstar) C.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Gilmour, McDonald and Mullen say hi

Mullen was a winger. Believe the Flames top 3 around 89 was Nieuwendyk/Gilmour/Otto.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Mullen was a winger. Believe the Flames top 3 around 89 was Nieuwendyk/Gilmour/Otto.

I think Enoch was referring to the idea that you have to draft your Cup core.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

A sure fire NHL prospect and a pick is better than a mid to late 1st and a bunch of filler picks. If that is all that is offered don't trade him now. You can get that for him at the deadline next year.

I just don't buy this.

All picks have a pretty set value. Prospects can be valued.

If 1st rounder plus other picks has a greater total value than a sure fire prospect and a pick, you take the picks.

Plus the sure fire guys aren't traded all that often.

So it's more likely the pick package vs a decent prospect or a prospect with warts.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just don't buy this.

All picks have a pretty set value. Prospects can be valued.

If 1st rounder plus other picks has a greater total value than a sure fire prospect and a pick, you take the picks.

Plus the sure fire guys aren't traded all that often.

So it's more likely the pick package vs a decent prospect or a prospect with warts.

Well I really think it depends on timing as well. Can Rasmus Andersson fetch a promising sure fire C prospect or a top 6 young C at the trade deadline if some contenders have blue line injuries? I think he can given the extra year signed as well as his salary.
Let's say in Dallas Heiskenen goes down for a while and the Stars come calling. They present two offers, their 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd for Andersson or their first and Bourque. Are you taking the picks there? Because I am not.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well I really think it depends on timing as well. Can Rasmus Andersson fetch a promising sure fire C prospect or a top 6 young C at the trade deadline if some contenders have blue line injuries? I think he can given the extra year signed as well as his salary.
Let's say in Dallas Heiskenen goes down for a while and the Stars come calling. They present two offers, their 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd for Andersson or their first and Bourque. Are you taking the picks there? Because I am not.

I'm not against prospects, just saying picks aren't magic beans, they are well established for their value.

You've created an easy equation.

2 2nds + 3rd = Mavrik Bourque (the 1st round pick cancels out).

If you value the three picks more than the prospect you take the pick package. Simple as that.

Mavrik Bourque, as an example, is/was producing at the same level of Jakob Pelletier in the AHL. I go with the picks.

[Monahammer]

Rasmus + klapka for Kasper + detroit 1st is the type of trade I'd be pitching.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not against prospects, just saying picks aren't magic beans, they are well established for their value.

You've created an easy equation.

2 2nds + 3rd = Mavrik Bourque (the 1st round pick cancels out).

If you value the three picks more than the prospect you take the pick package. Simple as that.

Mavrik Bourque, as an example, is/was producing at the same level of Jakob Pelletier in the AHL. I go with the picks.

Bourque is a C coming off a 77 point season last year, according to Dobber a late round 1st has a 65% chance to play in the NHL, not bad. The drop off is great though for the 2nd round with only 35% ever seeing the NHL. The 3rd round you are now down to 25%.
So if you take the picks over Bourque +1st chances are you are getting the 1st without Bourque who is trending highly to be a young top 6 centre.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well I really think it depends on timing as well. Can Rasmus Andersson fetch a promising sure fire C prospect or a top 6 young C at the trade deadline if some contenders have blue line injuries? I think he can given the extra year signed as well as his salary.
Let's say in Dallas Heiskenen goes down for a while and the Stars come calling. They present two offers, their 1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd for Andersson or their first and Bourque. Are you taking the picks there? Because I am not.

As Bingo points out sure fire prospects typically don’t get traded. Sure fire prospect centers, you can double down on. If they do get traded, it’s likely for a similarly aged player with the same contract control. Thinking about Jones for Johanssen as an example.

I just don’t know which young C would or could be available. Maybe Shane Wright if he flounders in Seattle the same way Bennett did here?

To your point, do the Stars think Rasmus Andersson is the best D they can get for Bourque? Someone else brought it up but the Hronek deal is a good comparable. Hronek and a 4th for a 1st and a 2nd.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bourque is a C coming off a 77 point season last year, according to Dobber a late round 1st has a 65% chance to play in the NHL, not bad. The drop off is great though for the 2nd round with only 35% ever seeing the NHL. The 3rd round you are now down to 25%.
So if you take the picks over Bourque +1st chances are you are getting the 1st without Bourque who is trending highly to be a young top 6 centre.

If you think Bourque is worth 2 2nd and a 3rd then you do your deal.

I wouldn't.

The Flames scouting group has shown they can find players with picks, and three in the top 90 have a pretty good chance of matching Bourque.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Rasmus + klapka for Kasper + detroit 1st is the type of trade I'd be pitching.

Edit: I’ll rephrase, I have a hard time seeing this.

A 20 year old C who was taken 8th overall and a first for Anderson and a maybe fourth liner?

I think you’ve got it backwards. Maybe I’m not as up to speed on Kasper as I should be but his value must be on a sharp downward trajectory if the Wings are attaching a 1st to him. I mean, even with Andersson are the wings a playoff team? That 1st could be a top 15 pick for a guy who plays on your second pairing and a fourth liner.

I don’t know but I would have to think Andersson and a fourth might get you a 1st and a 2nd, similar to the Hronek deal. Unless of course Kasper’s value to the Wings is now considered a 2nd round pick, or worse.

[activeStick]

Are they going to actually start the season without Swayman signed? 8M per is a decent offer.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1840777109880357150

[transplant99]

Yeah....if he isnt taking that deal, he is pricing himself out of a job anywhere.

[Jiri Hrdina]

My issue with Swayman is he's performed well in a tandem set up. He hasn't proven he can carry the load as a true #1.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

My issue with Swayman is he's performed well in a tandem set up. He hasn't proven he can carry the load as a true #1.

And the Don Edwards affect.

Can he play to the same level in a system inferior to Boston's?