Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[butterfly]

We are really doing all these players a disservice by mentioning their names in E=NG.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We are really doing all these players a disservice by mentioning their names in E=NG.

Except Gretzky, who is NG by association.

[ReinhartonD]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Gretzky-Mario-Howe
Orr-Crosby

Yeah I think Crosby could play d on this lineup no problem lol.

He'd be back defending when needed more than Coffee was, when he was the Oilers' 4th forward most of the time.

[McG]

Less other players are good please.

More e=ng!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Gordie Howe erasure going on in this thread!!!!!


But imo Crosby is top 3. Orr is obviously magnificent but the longevity of Crosby puts him ahead.

I love Crosby a tonne but in no universe is he ahead of Orr, Orr transcended a position like nobody ever did and hasn't since. when he won the scoring title in 74/75 the next defenseman was 61 points behind.

Most people don't realize he played on a wonky knee his whole career, had there been the medical science to repair knee's like today he likely would have been an easy #1, for me he's still the 1b.

[Eric Vail]

Here is an old Sports Illustrated article about the Oilers' in the 80s to get E=ng back on track:

While the NHL looks the other way, the Oilers may, in a sense, come under too much attention in Edmonton. Boston Bruins center Ken Linseman, who was a member of the Oilers for two seasons, including 1983-84, when they won their first Stanley Cup, says the atmosphere for hockey players in Edmonton is stifling. "They live and die hockey there," he says. "They have nothing else to be proud of. In the States people cheer for athletes, but in Canada many people grow up playing hockey. They all despise you [for your success]. I suffocated in Edmonton. I couldn't breathe. The city was so small, you couldn't get anywhere without people talking about hockey." Sather is another who claims that some people in Edmonton resent the Oilers' success. He charges that some police officers harass his players and suggests that this could account for the fact that Hunter has received the three impaired-driving convictions.

But the Oilers also bathe in great adulation in Edmonton, and some citizens apparently go out of their way to protect the players. One relative of an Oiler mainstay told SI that before the 1984 Christmas holidays, a list somehow found its way to players showing where and when the Edmonton police department planned to set up road checkpoints to catch drunk drivers. Edmonton police say the list was available to no more than 20 people within the department and say they have no idea how it could have wound up circulating among the Oilers.

In the alternately confining and permissive atmosphere in which they find themselves, some Oilers seem to have a hard time learning from their mistakes. For someone supposedly harassed by the police, Hunter, for example, seems all too willing to thumb his nose at the law. While serving a 13-day jail sentence last March following his third driving-while-impaired conviction. Hunter was required to attend a class monitored by a volunteer organization called People Against Impaired Drivers. Two people who attended the class told SI they were shocked to hear Hunter tell the group that his repeated arrests "won't stop me from drinking and driving. I'm more concerned about my reputation—the bad publicity."

https://vault.si.com/vault/1986/05/1...20NHL%20cities.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We are really doing all these players a disservice by mentioning their names in E=NG.

I just deleted a reply to a post because I had the same thought… and then immediately saw your post next. Agreed.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Here is an old Sports Illustrated article about the Oilers' in the 80s to get E=ng back on track:



https://vault.si.com/vault/1986/05/1...20NHL%20cities.

That article pretty much aligns with Sather’s reputation.

[SportsJunky]

That SI article is wild. What a group of reprobates that played there in the 80s.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know the stats.

I know the differences in eras.

But for me? #1.

He's just so good. At everything.

Elite skater, Elite shot, World-Class backhand, face-off taker and his compete level and leadership go without saying.

He's won it all when its all been at it's most difficult to win.

I hated his whiny ass when he started. But he got better.

And then just kept getting better and better and better.

The difference between him and his peers just isn’t there like Gretzky and Lemieux.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Except Gretzky, who is NG by association.

His 'whine game' is on point...but his actual Wine sucks.

Originally Posted by GGG

The difference between him and his peers just isn’t there like Gretzky and Lemieux.

Thats why its difficult to judge between Eras.

In my mind Crosby is playing against Professionals while Gretzky and those of his generation were playing against guys downing a six-pack and a bunch of darts between periods.

I've said it a million times...watch 70s/80s hockey. You wont last the 60 minutes. Its awful.
Its romanticized...but its bad.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GGG

The difference between him and his peers just isn’t there like Gretzky and Lemieux.

Correct. Crosby needs to play more chain smoking alcoholics.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

That SI article is wild. What a group of reprobates that played there in the 80s.

The Oilers used to employ some of the worst people in hockey. They still do, but they used to too.

Spoiler!

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Oilers are, have been, and will always be No Good.

[troutman]

“Grant's not exactly a wizard when it comes to finances."

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by troutman

“Grant's not exactly a wizard when it comes to finances."

That's not Sather's most condescending quote about Grant Fuhr:

Sather is now Fuhr's unofficial financial manager. Sather says that when he learned that Fuhr was paying some $1,200 a month in rent, he suggested that the Oilers buy the house for him and arrange mortgaging so Fuhr could both build equity and lower his monthly payments. In December 1984, the Oilers advanced Fuhr $91,890 toward the purchase and now hold a lien against the house. They also directly handle Fuhr's monthly mortgage and utility payments for him. "He's had his utilities shut off because he never pays them," says Sather. "So what I have done is watch his money. I tell him what he can and cannot do. I also charge him $100 a month for accounting. And interest [on the house loan]. Why do we manage his money? Why do we have to have a lien against him? Because he can't take care of his money. The problems Grant's got come from a kid that is dumb."

Sounds like Sather enjoyed taking advantage of "dumb" Grant Fuhr.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

That's not Sather's most condescending quote about Grant Fuhr:



Sounds like Sather enjoyed taking advantage of "dumb" Grant Fuhr.

And a 15% agents fee, a finders fee, real estate fee, inspection, damage deposit, roof repairs, “shoppers fee, utilities, phone, car repairs, taxes, GST, house users fee, property taxes, landscaping and snow removal, security, overtime pay, and mandatory minimum increase per annum.

Grant Fuhr was paying the Oilers to play for them.

[Inferno]

I laughed when this came up on NHL 25. They would definitely be the team to do this.

[Locke]

Of course they would. Of course.

Edmonton, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[getbak]

I'm surprised they kept him as an available player in the game. Read the room, EA.