2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’m also not as high on Turcotte. But the Kings don’t have anything great in terms of center prospects. Their top prospect (besides Brandt Clarke who is definitely not an option in a trade) is Greentree - a big right wing that was just selected in the first round of the 2024 draft - right now, he’s a similar prospect to Honzek. But, honestly, Greentree probably has a slightly lower ceiling than Honzek.

If the flames were to trade Andersson to LA… I would rather make the trade very pick heavy if they don’t have any prospects that are really exciting. Something like:

To LA:
Andersson

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected)
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
2026 conditional 1st round pick (becomes a 2nd round pick + 3rd round pick if the Kings miss the playoffs in 2026)

I know it’s “magic beans” but it’s a load of picks. Obviously I’d love for the flames to get an A-level prospect (especially a center) in an Andersson trade but it’s really hard to make that happen… teams so rarely trade prospects like that.

I would actually LOVE to get Greentree in a trade, even though we really need centers. This kid has a real chance to be a star in the NHL-he's got size (6'3"), and his IQ is off the charts, although he has work to do on his mobility.

Last season in Windsor, he played on one of the worst teams in the CHL, and finished 24 points ahead of his next closest teammate, and 43 points ahead of the third-place scorer on his team.

If LA doesn't want to part with Greentree, another prospect of theirs I love is RW Koehn Ziemmer. Again, we need centers, and like Greentree, Z has skating issues- but he's more of a power-forward than Greentree with a 6'1" frame, and is an excellent offensive player with an NHL shot. He had injury issues last season, unfortunately, but had 31 points in 23 games for the Cougs.

[Monahammer]

+1 on greentree. He reminds me of robitaille ironically. As such not sure the kings will trade him lol

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’m also not as high on Turcotte. But the Kings don’t have anything great in terms of center prospects. Their top prospect (besides Brandt Clarke who is definitely not an option in a trade) is Greentree - a big right wing that was just selected in the first round of the 2024 draft - right now, he’s a similar prospect to Honzek. But, honestly, Greentree probably has a slightly lower ceiling than Honzek.

If the flames were to trade Andersson to LA… I would rather make the trade very pick heavy if they don’t have any prospects that are really exciting. Something like:

To LA:
Andersson

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected)
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
2026 conditional 1st round pick (becomes a 2nd round pick + 3rd round pick if the Kings miss the playoffs in 2026)

I know it’s “magic beans” but it’s a load of picks. Obviously I’d love for the flames to get an A-level prospect (especially a center) in an Andersson trade but it’s really hard to make that happen… teams so rarely trade prospects like that.

Seems a bit rich to me. Would love the Flames to get this type of package but this smacks of a GM panicking to save his job, which could be the case.

I think a first and two seconds (Hamilton and Hamonic) packages are a better comp……if the Flames could get two firsts alone, that might be enough.

I do think though that if there is a deal to be had between the two teams, it’s likely to include a prospect. Looking at Conroy’s deals to date he seems to prioritize a mix of picks and prospects or underutilized assets. Thinking about the Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin deals. Had Kalyev not been injured perhaps that would have been of interest.

It is an interesting proposal though. If the Kings get off to a rough start (entirely plausible) maybe Blake does get aggressive in trying to save the season or his job, or both.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Seems a bit rich to me. Would love the Flames to get this type of package but this smacks of a GM panicking to save his job, which could be the case.

I think a first and two seconds (Hamilton and Hamonic) packages are a better comp……if the Flames could get two firsts alone, that might be enough.

I do think though that if there is a deal to be had between the two teams, it’s likely to include a prospect. Looking at Conroy’s deals to date he seems to prioritize a mix of picks and prospects or underutilized assets. Thinking about the Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin deals. Had Kalyev not been injured perhaps that would have been of interest.

It is an interesting proposal though. If the Kings get off to a rough start (entirely plausible) maybe Blake does get aggressive in trying to save the season or his job, or both.

True. The Hamilton and Hamonic packages are probably a more realistic target. A couple differences I would say make the argument for Andersson returning a slightly larger number of picks (but probably not as much as I first proposed). When Hamilton was traded, it was at the draft when picks are at their highest value. And he was traded for 15th overall, 45th overall and 52nd overall. Those 3 picks carry more value at that moment when they are known in the ranking than a trade during the season and the draft positions are unknown. I think if Hamilton had been traded by the bruins at the beginning of the previous season, they would have gotten much more than a 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks. Hamilton was a younger player than Andersson is now so it might even it out a bit.

As for the Hamonic trade… I would simply argue Andersson is considered a more valuable player than Hamonic ever was. Both have/had very reasonable cap hits. But I think Andersson is considered a clear top 2/3 defenceman who brings good offence, defence and leadership. Harmonic was considered a good #4 defenceman with good defence and leadership but not much offence.

You’re right that Conroy does seem to target prospects in his trades rather than all picks. In this circumstance, because I am not a big fan of LA’s prospects (aside from the Clarke), I would rather not dilute the quality of picks in the trade and focus on a pick-heavy trade.

I’ll split the difference on my trade proposal by adjusting the conditional 1st round pick.

To LA:
Andersson

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected)
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
Conditional 2026 1st round pick (becomes a 2nd + 4th round pick if LA does not make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2026)

That makes it so the most the trade could return is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2025 + a late 1st round pick in 2026 (at best 29th overall).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

True. The Hamilton and Hamonic packages are probably a more realistic target. A couple differences I would say make the argument for Andersson returning a slightly larger number of picks (but probably not as much as I first proposed). When Hamilton was traded, it was at the draft when picks are at their highest value. And he was traded for 15th overall, 45th overall and 52nd overall. Those 3 picks carry more value at that moment when they are known in the ranking than a trade during the season and the draft positions are unknown. I think if Hamilton had been traded by the bruins at the beginning of the previous season, they would have gotten much more than a 1st round pick and two 2nd round picks. Hamilton was a younger player than Andersson is now so it might even it out a bit.

As for the Hamonic trade… I would simply argue Andersson is considered a more valuable player than Hamonic ever was. Both have/had very reasonable cap hits. But I think Andersson is considered a clear top 2/3 defenceman who brings good offence, defence and leadership. Harmonic was considered a good #4 defenceman with good defence and leadership but not much offence.

You’re right that Conroy does seem to target prospects in his trades rather than all picks. In this circumstance, because I am not a big fan of LA’s prospects (aside from the Clarke), I would rather not dilute the quality of picks in the trade and focus on a pick-heavy trade.

I’ll split the difference on my trade proposal by adjusting the conditional 1st round pick.

To LA:
Andersson

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected)
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
Conditional 2026 1st round pick (becomes a 2nd + 4th round pick if LA does not make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2026)

That makes it so the most the trade could return is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2025 + a late 1st round pick in 2026 (at best 29th overall).

I would turn that down. Its just not worth it to me to send Andersson to a division rival.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would turn that down. Its just not worth it to me to send Andersson to a division rival.

Division rivals not, you take the best deal. Period.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Division rivals not, you take the best deal. Period.

If it's this juicy a deal? You absolutely take it.

Trading in division means nothing, not like the Flames would be in any window of contention for the remainder of Anderssons term any way so if he wants a couple revenge games, he is welcome to do it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Division rivals not, you take the best deal. Period.

As long as it isn’t Edmonton lol

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Bonded

As long as it isn’t Edmonton lol

And #### Treliving and Toronto

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

If it's this juicy a deal? You absolutely take it.

Trading in division means nothing, not like the Flames would be in any window of contention for the remainder of Anderssons term any way so if he wants a couple revenge games, he is welcome to do it.

I don't think that is that great of a deal. It's a lot of magic beans.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Division rivals not, you take the best deal. Period.

Agreed. I just don't like the return there. It's a lot of quantity over quality. I would rather get back a first and a solid young player or prospect.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by MrMike

And #### Treliving and Toronto

If he wanted to overpay, would be extra nice to fleece him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Agreed. I just don't like the return there. It's a lot of quantity over quality. I would rather get back a first and a solid young player or prospect.

To LA:
Andersson

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (lottery protected)
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick
Conditional 2026 1st round pick (becomes a 2nd + 4th round pick if LA does not make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2026)

That's a 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 1st or 2nd + 4th

That's the biggest haul a player has returned in a very very long time.

Andersson won't return that much.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's a 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 1st or 2nd + 4th

That's the biggest haul a player has returned in a very very long time.

Andersson won't return that much.

It's a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th. The 1st is nice but generally the rest tend to either bust or turn into filler for your AHL team If you look at how players turn out historically. So let's say the 1st is around 16 and that player ends up in your top 6 forward group or a 3-4 D man. You are trading a still young top pairing D man for that. Look at how the Hamilton trade turned out for Boston. If we are trading Andersson the team should be targetting a young centre with top 6 upside or a 1st and a decent prospect that scouts identify as someone who has a future in the NHL.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are trading a still young top pairing D man for that.

Andersson is not that young, as a team trading for him will have him for two years, and then would likely need to extend him for 8 years to keep him. Very few posters here would want to commit 8 years to him. It would be different if Andersson was coming to the end of his first contract and had a long runway ahead of him.

Getting a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th would be a huge haul and better than what the Flames will eventually get IMO.

If 2nds and beyond are such low value in your eyes, I assume you think we should be trading all our picks past the first round for existing players?

IIRC, Andersson himself was a 2nd round pick.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Agreed. I just don't like the return there. It's a lot of quantity over quality. I would rather get back a first and a solid young player or prospect.

Right. Looks as though Conroy sees it the same way. He prioritized prospects or under-utilized players in each of the Tanev, Lindholm, Toffoli, and Hanifin trades. I think that pattern continues. If the Flames only concerned themselves with picks, their rebuild is probably closer to the 7-10 year window. I think they want 3-5. Prospects are key to that.

I think it’s highly likely Martha and Kuzmenko are traded this season. Also a pretty good chance with Vladar. Andersson I’m 50/50 on. I think the Flames will be patient, they have till TDL 2026. If someone comes along and gives them an offer that makes sense, I don’t think they’ll hesitate but it would have to be pretty compelling at this point.

I can see the attraction for Andersson around the league. Great contract, age, RHS, top 4 D on any team in the league. The Flames will likely have several attractive offers over the coming year or so. Dallas, LA, Florida, Carolina off the top of my head and I’m sure there are several more that could have interest right now. Lastly, found it interesting that earlier this week on BB Boomer said ‘oh, he’s available’ while discussing Andersson. Who knows if that’s accurate or just an opinion but found it interesting nonetheless. If Brzustevicz is pushing for a spot this season, maybe the Flames pull the trigger this TDL.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Andersson is not that young, as a team trading for him will have him for two years, and then would likely need to extend him for 8 years to keep him. Very few posters here would want to commit 8 years to him. It would be different if Andersson was coming to the end of his first contract and had a long runway ahead of him.

Getting a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th would be a huge haul and better than what the Flames will eventually get IMO.

If 2nds and beyond are such low value in your eyes, I assume you think we should be trading all our picks past the first round for existing players?

IIRC, Andersson himself was a 2nd round pick.

Sure, Flames fans might not be that excited about that type of move, right now, but another team in its window or about to enter their window probably sees it differently.

What about a team like Detroit? Don’t think they could use an upgrade over Jeff Petry to play behind Seider? Is Sandin Pellika making the leap this year, or next?

[CliffFletcher]

I don’t know that LA should be considered the front-runner for Andersson. Blake is likely on a short leash these days, and might not have the latitude to trade away a bonanza of picks for a #3 D. But maybe the whole Kings franchise will be in desperation mode this season.

CAR seems a more likely suitor. They place a premium on cost-certainty, and their blue line was seriously weakened this offseason. Return might be something along the lines of Nadeau or Blake + 1st + 3rd. But I wouldn’t expect anything to shake out until after Christmas.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t know that LA should be considered the front-runner for Andersson. Blake is likely on a short leash these days, and might not have the latitude to trade away a bonanza of picks for a #3 D. But maybe the whole Kings franchise will be in desperation mode this season.

CAR seems a more likely suitor. They place a premium on cost-certainty, and their blue line was seriously weakened this offseason. Return might be something along the lines of Nadeau or Blake + 1st + 3rd. But I wouldn’t expect anything to shake out until after Christmas.

Andersson is a top pair D by any metric consistently over years. Closer to a 1 than a 3.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 4th. The 1st is nice but generally the rest tend to either bust or turn into filler for your AHL team If you look at how players turn out historically. So let's say the 1st is around 16 and that player ends up in your top 6 forward group or a 3-4 D man. You are trading a still young top pairing D man for that. Look at how the Hamilton trade turned out for Boston. If we are trading Andersson the team should be targetting a young centre with top 6 upside or a 1st and a decent prospect that scouts identify as someone who has a future in the NHL.

This team will be rebuilt on pick volume. Conroy is a pure scout. Let him cook.