[Rumour] UPD: NHL and NHLPA agree to pay Lehner but not have it count against VGK salary cap

[Groot]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Is it not telling that these wild conspiracy theories about cap circumvention only seem to follow Vegas and Edmonton? It doesn't come from nowhere. Two shady scumbag organizations get no benefit of the doubt about doing shady scumbag things.

Tampa Bay reading this post..

[UKflames]

How did we handle the Kylingtom contract when he was off with mental health issues? Didn't we just have to pay him or did he go LTIR? Either way we didn't try and sack him off like Vegas is trying to do.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by UKflames

How did we handle the Kylingtom contract when he was off with mental health issues? Didn't we just have to pay him or did he go LTIR? Either way we didn't try and sack him off like Vegas is trying to do.

He reported to training camp in both instances which is where he was evaluated to be eligible to even be on IR / LTIR.

The problem for Vegas is they almost have to flag this to the NHLPA / NHL because since he didn't actually report to camp, Vegas can't actually complete the assessment on his injury to confirm the LTIR status, and if they don't take this approach then they potentially become non-compliant for LTIR status.

Really in the end it's all just paper work and red tape - but Lehner not reporting sends them down this spiral.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He reported to training camp in both instances which is where he was evaluated to be eligible to even be on IR / LTIR.

The problem for Vegas is they almost have to flag this to the NHLPA / NHL because since he didn't actually report to camp, Vegas can't actually complete the assessment on his injury to confirm the LTIR status, and if they don't take this approach then they potentially become non-compliant for LTIR status.

Really in the end it's all just paper work and red tape - but Lehner not reporting sends them down this spiral.

Just seems a bit strange that a person that needs money to pay off his debts wouldn't report to the place that would be paying him, knowing he is unlikely to play but would still get paid.

Admittadely I don't know all the details but it does seem odd.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The Flames also had no need to put him on LTIR.

[FlamesAddiction]

I thought he was just going to LTIRetire. I am surprised that Vegas expected him to show up.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I thought he was just going to LTIRetire. I am surprised that Vegas expected him to show up.

Apparently you have to show up regardless if you want to get paid.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I thought he was just going to LTIRetire. I am surprised that Vegas expected him to show up.

maybe I read it wrong, but I think in order for Vegas to put him on LTIR, Lehner has to show up for the medical, and prove he is unable to play.

So if Lehner didn't get tested I believe that means Vegas can't LTIR him. Since it is up to Lehner to report to camp for his medical, Vegas has no option other than to terminate his contract. As without using LTIR for Lehner they are over the cap.

I too hope this isn't his mental illness causing him to make poor decisions, but it's not the first time a contract has been terminated for a player and his failure to report.

[EVERLAST]

Originally Posted by Zoller

I don't think it's that

Judging by his previous issues, this has the optics of him being off the rails again and screwing himself out of $4.5 million .

Oh Ffs....immediately someone has to go there !!! How many guys in the league have been given extra time to sort through the demons they've battled .

This is a f ing game and NOT just pure entertainment. So please file your BS somewhere else.

We have had numerous Flames battle issues and come back in successful roles

Brian MCGratton
MIKe Ferland
Oliver Kylington

Now I'm off the rails.

LEHNER also had valid reasons before with ####ty training staffs forcing g him to play hurt.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

maybe I read it wrong, but I think in order for Vegas to put him on LTIR, Lehner has to show up for the medical, and prove he is unable to play.

So if Lehner didn't get tested I believe that means Vegas can't LTIR him. Since it is up to Lehner to report to camp for his medical, Vegas has no option other than to terminate his contract. As without using LTIR for Lehner they are over the cap.

I too hope this isn't his mental illness causing him to make poor decisions, but it's not the first time a contract has been terminated for a player and his failure to report.

I think they could just suspend him without pay for failing to report. You see that happen every once in a while. For them to want to terminate his contract completely, I think there must be more to the story.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

We have had numerous Flames battle issues and come back in successful roles

Brian MCGratton
MIKe Ferland
Oliver Kylington

These guys all enrolled in NHLPA player Assistance programs and likely adhered to the minimum terms in their contracts.

I'm not sure if Lehner in in a NHLPA player assistance program or not. He should have representation to advise him to show up for a physical or advise the team why a certain date won't work. As soon as an employee opens the door to be terminated any organization I know will move to do so.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Buff

So maybe he asked to have his contract terminated?

That would be a supremely bad idea. Considering, as reported, that Lehner agreed to this garnishment arrangement. A judge would likely see this as a sanctionable offense and potentially contempt of court. It could result in jail time for Lehner.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by cannon7

That would be a supremely bad idea. Considering, as reported, that Lehner agreed to this garnishment arrangement. A judge would likely see this as a sanctionable offense and potentially contempt of court. It could result in jail time for Lehner.

It is bad ideas but doesn't have to be known that he asked for it. How can the courts prove that he orchestrated it? At this point it looks like the team is initiating a way out of a contract.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Missed physical by one day and knights are trying to terminate the contract? Wtf

Garbage org.

[dino7c]

I mean you are getting paid millions to take one physical a year, best not miss it

[My2Cents]

Any chance he might pass the physical but doesnt want to play for some reason? I could see that as a reason to not attend the physical.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by My2Cents

Any chance he might pass the physical but doesnt want to play for some reason? I could see that as a reason to not attend the physical.

My guess and probably not the best to speculate is buddy is hugely out of shape, and was probably busy with his murder snake collection.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...l-2714939/amp/

Robin Lehner’s decision to purchase a snake-breeding business in 2017 began a “Tiger King”-like saga that featured alleged nonpayment of funds by Lehner and the murder of the snake farm’s previous owner by his wife and another man.

There is even a “Dateline NBC” episode on it, where Lehner was a suspect for a moment.

[sureLoss]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-camp-absence/

Days after missing a physical at the beginning of training camp, Vegas Golden Knights goaltender Robin Lehner made a brief statement, saying, “All I can say at this time is everyone knows why I couldn’t be there. I am waiting calmly for things to be sorted out.”

Friedman in the article says missing the physical can lead to contract termination.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Buff

It is bad ideas but doesn't have to be known that he asked for it. How can the courts prove that he orchestrated it? At this point it looks like the team is initiating a way out of a contract.

A person paying child support needs to stay employed to the best of their ability. For Lehrer that means showing up for his physical. Not showing up would be taken as purposely being under employed.

Vegas really has no choice. Since he didn’t show up, they cannot LTIR him, so he would remain on the cap.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A person paying child support needs to stay employed to the best of their ability. For Lehrer that means showing up for his physical. Not showing up would be taken as purposely being under employed.

Vegas really has no choice. Since he didn’t show up, they cannot LTIR him, so he would remain on the cap.

This is a child support issue? Did he separate from his wife or does he have more than the two kids?