Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

They chose the candidate who is going to win in a landslide.

I think the political party accomplished their goal of winning the next election just fine.

That’s not what we’re talking about but great effort.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s always funny to me when conservatives have such low self-confidence and lack of conviction that they look for every opportunity to blame everyone else for their own actions.

“Well, if you had just voted for O’Toole we wouldn’t have had to kick him out and then vote in PP!”

Or, you know, the Conservatives could have just kept O’Toole and let him continue to build trust with Canadians instead of kicking him out. Or chosen someone who wasn’t PP.

But darn, if only everyone else didn’t make them do it. Has anyone seen their spine?

"It's the left's fault I'm voting for the neofascist!" is certainly a position to take.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps you should have voted for the much lessor tool, and much more middle of the road reasonable choice in O'Toole and now we wouldn't be in this position where someone like PP is going to be PM.

To a certain extent we deserve what we're going to get because we got fear-mongered into thinking the MUCH better option is something everyone should be afraid of.

I can assure you, my vote in Blueberta had zero outcome on what happened to O'Toole in that election. I can assure you, my vote in Blueberta will have zero outcome on the next election, too.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Other than some pandering (which is never backed up by actual policy), what about the Liberals isn't basically the most milquetoast centrist neoliberal government imaginable? They're currently running the smallest deficits in the G7, oil production is at all time highs, and the carbon tax that everyone is freaking out about is rooted in neoliberal free-market philosophy.

That's not to say they're effective, but their issues aren't because they've drifted from some imagined center point. They're failing in much the same way that a lot of centrist status quo liberal parties around the western world are by inadequately responding to the conditions that give rise to extremism.

People who say they want centrism more often than not actually want conservatism. There's a reason why enlightened centrism is a meme at this point, in the same vein as "classical liberal".

the most milquetoast centrist neoliberal government imaginable is my new favorite descriptor!

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I can assure you, my vote in Blueberta had zero outcome on what happened to O'Toole in that election. I can assure you, my vote in Blueberta will have zero outcome on the next election, too.

As long as you keep up the good message board daily battle its ok though, that is what will make the difference!

[Bonded]

Enlightened centrism is a thing? The both sides people really try to stay away from their conservative label these days

[undercoverbrother]

What about a Don't Be an A$$hole Party.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not what we’re talking about but great effort.

Or, you know, the Conservatives could have just kept O’Toole and let him continue to build trust with Canadians instead of kicking him out. Or chosen someone who wasn’t PP.

Guess you forgot the 2nd half of your post.

Why would the party keep someone instead of replacing them with someone who is about to win in one of the largest landslides in Canadian history.

Can you imagine if the CPC ran someone who people actually liked! They may get every seat as opposed to only 65%!

[Azure]

We're close to coming full circle.

There are no actual issues folks.

The Liberals are the perfect centrist party, and have not actually done anything wrong!
In fact just because they might end up 4th in the next election in terms of seats is literally just an accident and nobody knows the reasons why! Canadians should shutup and vote for Trudeau again because hey, at least he's no Danielle Smith!

Oh, and we have the lowest deficits in the G7.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Guess you forgot the 2nd half of your post.

Why would the party keep someone instead of replacing them with someone who is about to win in one of the largest landslides in Canadian history.

Can you imagine if the CPC ran someone who people actually liked! They may get every seat as opposed to only 65%!

Guess you forgot to read what I was responding to?

I’m pushing back against that idea that PP is the “fault” of people not voting for/fearmongering over O’Toole instead of… you know… the party that kicked him out and voted FOR PP.

It has nothing to do with whether it was a good choice or what they should/shouldn’t have done, but the fact that some conservatives suddenly are scared of taking responsibility for PP being the leader of the party.

Reading: it’s a skill.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

We're close to coming full circle.

There are no actual issues folks.

The Liberals are the perfect centrist party, and have not actually done anything wrong!
In fact just because they might end up 4th in the next election in terms of seats is literally just an accident and nobody knows the reasons why! Canadians should shutup and vote for Trudeau again because hey, at least he's no Danielle Smith!

Oh, and we have the lowest deficits in the G7.

Originally Posted by opendoor

That's not to say they're effective, but their issues aren't because they've drifted from some imagined center point. They're failing in much the same way that a lot of centrist status quo liberal parties around the western world are by inadequately responding to the conditions that give rise to extremism.

No wonder conservatives hate public education.

We’re failing these people. They need our help.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What about a Don't Be an A$$hole Party.

*Sharpens Pitchforks*

"GET HIM!"

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He resigned from the Liberal Party and yet staying onboard as Independent MP...for a chance at a leadership role in a middling 3rd party provincial party that is happening in a year with no hope of becoming premier anytime soon, for an election scheduled 2 years from now. The elections could have come and gone by that time.

Show another MP that has done this? All the MPs that bailed all resigned from their seat and had their seat up for a by-election. This includes Andy Fillmore who is running for mayor of Halifax.

That Rodriguez is not resigning from his seat while sitting as an Independent is the true telling portion. There was no pressing reason to drop out of the party. He's keeping his job and dropped his federal party affiliation only...to run for the provincial party with the same affiliation? How does that make sense to you?


https://338canada.com/24027e.htm

His riding is one of the safest ridings possible for the Liberals, and Liberals are still polling at a crazy 47%. He is one of the MPs most likely to hold his seat. He is choosing to deny the Liberals from having an MP from that riding.

If this is not the biggest finger to Trudeau from within his internal caucus possible, you have your rosy blinders on again.

I also bet he is not the last prominent MP to do such a move.

You don't normally get the chance to run for leader when a party is doing awesome. Its obviously a sinking ship, this is a smart move to signal himself as a Liberal, and not a Trudeau Liberal. That's how you put yourself in the spot to sprout from the ashes, be it provincially...or maybe eventually federally

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Just as I thought.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836464508736541153

The Premier of Quebec wants Blanchet to drop the Liberals

Legault said PQ leader must 'show some courage' and demand Bloc to drop its support

Quebec's premier appears to want a federal election to take place sooner rather than later.

In a brief statement to reporters at the National Assembly on Thursday, Legault expressed his disagreement with the Bloc Québécois's decision to support Justin Trudeau's Liberal minority government in a non-confidence motion that is expected next week.

"I am asking Mr. St-Pierre Plamondon, the leader of the Parti Québécois, to show some courage today and to ask his friend at the Bloc Québécois to change his mind, to not support the Trudeau government next week and to defend the interests of Quebecers and the Quebec nation"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...tion-1.7327897

[Locke]

The 'Quebec Nation' thing is getting more than a little old.

Can we sell Quebec to Rwanda?

[Fuzz]

A conservative leader doesn't want there to be a Liberal PM anymore? Well this is shocking.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Premier of Quebec wants Blanchet to drop the Liberals


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...tion-1.7327897

That's cool, does Legault = Blanchet?

This is like the equivalent of Smith asking Pierre to vote no confidence. Whoop de freakin' doo.

Also, what a tough guy:

"In his statement, Legault stopped short of directly asking Bloc Leader Yves-François Blanchet to vote against the Trudeau government in the non-confidence motion. Instead, he appeared to try to put pressure on Parti Québécois Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon."

[Ozy_Flame]

Also, the second shoe drops.

CBC: Jagmeet Singh says NDP will back Liberals in non-confidence vote

[Fuzz]

"He is a fake, a phoney and a fraud. How can anyone ever believe what this sellout NDP leader says in the future?" Poilievre said in question period.

What a petulant child, not getting what he wants. It's hilarious. How can you want a wiener like this leading the country? Goes straight to the baseless insults, just like those same losers who heckled Jagmeet.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What a petulant child, not getting what he wants. It's hilarious. How can you want a wiener like this leading the country? Goes straight to the baseless insults, just like those same losers who heckled Jagmeet.

I watch Question Period a fair bit because it can be highly entertaining because of the #### that breaks out but I really wish that the Speaker would keep the mics live so that we can hear what is going on. We deserve to be able to hear the nonsense that erupts in the House instead of it being censored.