I don't have children in a charter school, I just care about facts and I find the comparison to residential schools very offensive. Children were absolutely not voluntarily enrolled in residential schools and it's minimizing to suggest otherwise.
Education is a provincial responsibility, so there aren't Federal guidelines there are provincial guidelines and a curriculum of study that sets out in great detail what is to be taught in every subject/grade.
To be honest I don't know why I'm engaging here: any set of arguments about education in Alberta that starts with a quote about the US system from a US newspaper isn't being made in good faith.
It wasn't meant to be offensive. I was speaking more of the after adoption period, i apologize for the confusion or any hurt that is caused.
From the link you provided it says this:
Provide basic education in a different or enhanced way
follow Alberta's programs of study (curriculum)
have a focus not already offered by the board of the school authority in which the public charter school is located – this could include unique:
Those kind of generalities make me nervous for LBGTQ, but maybe someone here has attended or has children attending a charter school and they could shed some light.
I didn't because your post and ramblings were so ####ing stupid and off base.
Do you know if charter schools get 60 percent, religious schools get 40 percent and public gets 20? You seem to be bragging about this so what are the numbers?
Asshats, school board have been warning of the crisis for years, the projections are pretty simple. They ignored it and now blame the Feds, and the core will believe it. As for the type of schools they are building, will wait and see to pass judgement on that, but I expect f***ery from them and will be surprised if it doesn’t happen.
Do you know if charter schools get 60 percent, religious schools get 40 percent and public gets 20? You seem to be bragging about this so what are the numbers?
I made it simple for you.
I don't have the numbers but regardless a significant investment in education is beneficial. It appears that the funding has an end result of building new space for 200,000 students in the public system (public and Catholic schools) and 12,500 in the charter system. My best guess would be that the funding split will coincide with those numbers to some degree.
I don't have the numbers but regardless a significant investment in education is beneficial. It appears that the funding has an end result of building new space for 200,000 students in the public system (public and Catholic schools) and 12,500 in the charter system. My best guess would be that the funding split will coincide with those numbers to some degree.
I don't agree with that when now the funding is changing and privatization, paying to build religious schools and making their own rules as long as they bring up math and follow the curriculum. Or charter schools, the rules a very very vague. Add math then you can teach hate or anything. But that is an opinion as I don't know.
I would happily give money to the institutions that Wormius mentioned, i just do not think that will be the case moving forward.
For the second bolded point, I think its stupid to expect that public funding will get anywhere near an even split. But let's wait and see. You think they will, I think that is naive, but maybe i am jaded. Let's see when they roll out the funding model and see.
I don't agree with that when now the funding is changing and privatization, paying to build religious schools and making their own rules as long as they bring up math and follow the curriculum. Or charter schools, the rules a very very vague. Add math then you can teach hate or anything. But that is an opinion as I don't know.
I would happily give money to the institutions that Wormius mentioned, i just do not think that will be the case moving forward.
For the second bolded point, I think its stupid to expect that public funding will get anywhere near an even split. But let's wait and see. You think they will, I think that is naive, but maybe i am jaded. Let's see when they roll out the funding model and see.
You have a gross misunderstanding of charter schools and how they operate and what the purpose is in Alberta. You've posted a lot of misconceived notions about charter schools. You should really read through the act and regulations surrounding these schools: https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/126...3&display=html
You have a gross misunderstanding of charter schools and how they operate and what the purpose is in Alberta. You've posted a lot of misconceived notions about charter schools. You should really read through the act and regulations surrounding these schools: https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/126...3&display=html
That's a long document that I am sure you haven't read. These are the Alberta rules TLDR.
Provide basic education in a different or enhanced way
follow Alberta's programs of study (curriculum)
have a focus not already offered by the board of the school authority in which the public charter school is located – this could include unique:
Do you still think it public will receive as much as private? We can leave what they teach in future schools. You are happy with the funding, where is it going? It's obviously going to religious school building now which has never been done before. How much will public school funding get in your opinion?
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That's a long document that I am sure you haven't read. These are the Alberta rules TLDR.
Provide basic education in a different or enhanced way
follow Alberta's programs of study (curriculum)
have a focus not already offered by the board of the school authority in which the public charter school is located – this could include unique:
Do you still think it public will receive as much as private? We can leave what they teach in future schools. You are happy with the funding, where is it going? It's obviously going to religious school building now which has never been done before. How much will public school funding get in your opinion?
Yes, public schools will receive vastly more money than private schools and vastly more money than charter schools. There is no doubt about that. I am happy about the funding as we have a huge gap in our education system and it needs to be corrected.
Here are Nenshi's comments, paraphrased:
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A little bit of good news from our UCP government today. I don't think anyone can argue with the need to invest in our education spaces and let's give them some credit this is a generational investment in building schools. That's a good thing...Thanks for the money
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Yes, public schools will receive vastly more money than private schools and vastly more money than charter schools. There is no doubt about that. I am happy about the funding as we have a huge gap in our education system and it needs to be corrected.
Here are Nenshi's comments, paraphrased:
Do you have a link for that, like where are you getting that from? Is it a concept of a plan? I will be ecstatic if it comes out as you say, 70 percent public, 15, 15.
Why are you happy with new public money going to private or charter schools at all?
I am happy that taxpayers money is going to put into the education system as well. Just not into private.
Do you have a link for that, like where are you getting that from? Is it a concept of a plan? I will be ecstatic if it comes out as you say, 70 percent public, 15, 15.
Why are you happy with new public money going to private or charter schools at all?
I am happy that taxpayers money is going to put into the education system as well. Just not into private.
I already shared some numbers with you. 200,000 spaces in public school and 12,500 in charter schools. It doesn't take a genius to deduce that the vast majority of the investment dollars are going to go to public schools unless they are building public schools out of cardboard and charter schools out of gold.
I'm not a supporter of public money for private schools but it is pork barreling and we need the massive investment in public education. I'm a proponent of charter schools and I have no qualms in expanding access and availability of that program.
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Yes, public schools will receive vastly more money than private schools and vastly more money than charter schools. There is no doubt about that. I am happy about the funding as we have a huge gap in our education system and it needs to be corrected.
Here are Nenshi's comments, paraphrased:
Here are Nenshi's comments, where I only present the one sentence in a 10 minute response that offers any praise at all for what Smith plans.
I do have a question for you though, given past performance, how is it you have any trust at all that this won't be another massive debacle? Why will this be different?
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I have no qualms in expanding access and availability of that program.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Here are Nenshi's comments, where I only present the one sentence in a 10 minute response that offers any praise at all for what Smith plans.
I do have a question for you though, given past performance, how is it you have any trust at all that this won't be another massive debacle? Why will this be different?
The UCP announcement is also completely different since its public money going directly to a private school. Personally I have zero trust in anything the Universal Corruption and Propaganda party does and view any attempted them involving private entities as grift. They a documented history of excessive waste, self-dealing, and grift costing Albertan taxpayers well in excess of $100Billion. Even assuming the UCP's intentions were altruistic, which is already a laughable position to take because of history, they haven't been able to handle any project with a shred of competence. See Dynalife, superlab, Turkish Tylenol, ethics commissioner firing and allowing legalized bribery, pipelines, insurance, refinery, oil by railcars, etc, etc.
lol the province is going to fund the building of two weirdo Christian private schools and then cancel the rest and shift it towards some other UCP grift
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I do have a question for you though, given past performance, how is it you have any trust at all that this won't be another massive debacle? Why will this be different?
Will it be a massive debacle? Hopefully not but I'm not expecting an entirely pure and clean build out either. All public works projects and funding across Canada and around the globe are rife with debacles because that is the nature of working with governments and what happens when public funds are doled out. At the end of the day though we have a significant need for education investment and this funding gets us down the road towards improving our learning infrastructure so I'm going to look at it in a positive light instead of ####ting all over much needed funding.
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I'm the first to come on here and bash the UPC about everything. They are terrible, incompetent, and cynical bad actors in politics who are not seeking to provide good governance, but instead are trying to win some rhetorical pissing match when people get upset about their delusions of grandeur.
And I'm 100% on board for complaining about funding going to private and religious institutions.
But all of that said, spending a good chunk of our surplus on public and charter school infrastructure is something I can get behind. A broken clock get's it right once a day, and funding for school spaces is something Alberta needs.
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