Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Why balloons and confetti?

It shouldn't be a big deal to keep up with population growth, especially in a province with a surplus like Alberta. This should just be the bare minimum. Standard operating procedure.

Alberta spends the lowest amount per student in the country. Does this help in quality of education?

Not a good look to be giving more taxpayer money to private schools either.

[surferguy]

I’ll wait for details before I order a celebratory cake.

[Eric Vail]

Who is going to staff these new schools? Teachers are leaving the profession in large numbers due to the impossible working conditions. There are hundreds of unfilled jobs across the province already. Anything being done to attract and retain teachers? I suspect they will simply lower the requirements to teach so that nice moms will be the only requirement.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Why #### all over a positive announcement for much needed new schools and student spaces? I know the UCP is a punching bag for you but a big investment in schools is worth giving a thumbs up to instead of just being an ass.

I mean they can literally pull the funding at any time...

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Why #### all over a positive announcement for much needed new schools and student spaces? I know the UCP is a punching bag for you but a big investment in schools is worth giving a thumbs up to instead of just being an ass.

One would probably need clarification on how the funding is to be divided amongst the different school systems before declaring how beneficial this will actually be. A lot of people don’t consider charter schools being gifted more tax dollars that could otherwise go towards the public systems as a win.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I mean they can literally pull the funding at any time...

UCP (not) riding the Blue or Red lines: "Amen to that!"

Spoiler!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

One would probably need clarification on how the funding is to be divided amongst the different school systems before declaring how beneficial this will actually be. A lot of people don’t consider charter schools being gifted more tax dollars that could otherwise go towards the public systems as a win.

It has been mentioned before that charter schools are part of the public system. Building more schools; public, separate and charter, is for the betterment and benefit of Albertans. Obviously the funding should be proportional to demand and student enrollment.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It has been mentioned before that charter schools are part of the public system.

Yeah that’s definitely mentioned. So has Haitian migrants eating dogs and cats. Public systems are generally considered to be systems that everyone has equal access to.

Building more schools; public, separate and charter, is for the betterment and benefit of Albertans.

Yeah that’s definitely been mentioned too. Problem is just because something being done is good doesn’t mean that there aren’t better ways of going about doing something.

Obviously the funding should be proportional to demand and student enrollment.

So you’re saying we should wait to see if that ends up actually being the case before celebrating a vague announcement as a win?

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It has been mentioned before that charter schools are part of the public system. Building more schools; public, separate and charter, is for the betterment and benefit of Albertans. Obviously the funding should be proportional to demand and student enrollment.

Ahh, so the residential schools were the same as the public schools and they should have received the same funding back 50 or 70 years ago in your opinion?

Can you explain the breakout in percentages for public schools, private, and charter? Are they 33.3 each?

I never thought i would see someone advocating for residential schools(charters schools now) after the past couple years. But there you are just changing the name and saying they all deserve public money. Unreal calgarygeologist, but i suspect you think LGBTQ will be welcome with opened arms there lol.

Here are the differences. One can be a residential school and do what they want, they other has guidelines, and since you are too lazy to google or look into the issue, residential schools would have been classified the same. But yay more funding for schools that resemble residential schools of old...


'The Difference Between Charter and Public Schools Rather than being part of a public school district, which dictates curriculum and standards in all schools, charters operate autonomously through individual agreements, or charters, without provincial, federal or local governments that set rules and student performance standards.'

[puffnstuff]

I am going to bet the private religious schools are getting the first money. Based on how she put the onus on munis to service the build sites for them to build public schools, the proposals from small religious schools will have a fast track.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I am going to bet the private religious schools are getting the first money. Based on how she put the onus on munis to service the build sites for them to build public schools, the proposals from small religious schools will have a fast track.

Wouldn't be surprised to see some with permits in hand ready to go just waiting for this announcement. Will be interesting to see what goes first and what the distributions will be.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sultan

'The Difference Between Charter and Public Schools Rather than being part of a public school district, which dictates curriculum and standards in all schools, charters operate autonomously through individual agreements, or charters, with state or local governments that set rules and student performance standards.'

I'll say for clarity that I think Smith is an idiot. But this post is terrible. A bunch of rambling about how charter schools are residential schools (they're not, at all). For one thing, parents have to apply to charter schools. That's not how residential schools worked and frankly I think that comparison demeans the seriousness of the residential schools.

Secondly, the part of your post I've quoted is a direct quote from a US News and World Report article. Smith is an idiot for assuming things in Canada work the same as they do in the US (eg the pardons thing). No reason for anyone else to make the same mistake. Charter schools in Alberta are required to be under the supervision of a public school district, and are required to teach the Alberta curriculum.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Sultan

Ahh, so the residential schools were the same as the public schools and they should have received the same funding back 50 or 70 years ago in your opinion?

Can you explain the breakout in percentages for public schools, private, and charter? Are they 33.3 each?

I never thought i would see someone advocating for residential schools(charters schools now) after the past couple years. But there you are just changing the name and saying they all deserve public money. Unreal calgarygeologist, but i suspect you think LGBTQ will be welcome with opened arms there lol.

Here are the differences. One can be a residential school and do what they want, they other has guidelines, and since you are too lazy to google or look into the issue, residential schools would have been classified the same. But yay more funding for schools that resemble residential schools of old...


'The Difference Between Charter and Public Schools Rather than being part of a public school district, which dictates curriculum and standards in all schools, charters operate autonomously through individual agreements, or charters, without provincial, federal or local governments that set rules and student performance standards.'

There is so much wrong in this post that it is laughable and non-sense. Most of it doesn't deserve a response. I'll address the curriculum issue, they do follow the Alberta curriculum like all publicly funded schools. What they do in addition to the curriculum is they supplement it with additional teaching, focus and resources in specific areas.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I'll say for clarity that I think Smith is an idiot. But this post is terrible. A bunch of rambling about how charter schools are residential schools (they're not, at all). For one thing, parents have to apply to charter schools. That's not how residential schools worked and frankly I think that comparison demeans the seriousness of the residential schools.

Secondly, the part of your post I've quoted is a direct quote from a US News and World Report article. Smith is an idiot for assuming things in Canada work the same as they do in the US (eg the pardons thing). No reason for anyone else to make the same mistake. Charter schools in Alberta are required to be under the supervision of a public school district, and are required to teach the Alberta curriculum.

You disagree, that's fair. I see it as a school with no rules and rebranding.

A charter school is a charter school with its own rules and should not part of the public school system of funding.

Do you not think people had to apply for residential schools the same as every other school? Do you disagree that charter schools do not have to follow any guidelines on enrollment, agreements, educational levels, rules, as public schools do?

Just my opinion.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sultan

You disagree, that's fair. I see it as a school with no rules and rebranding.

A charter school is a charter school with its own rules and should not part of the public school system of funding.

Do you not think people had to apply for residential schools the same as every other school? Do you disagree that charter schools do not have to follow any guidelines on enrollment, agreements, educational levels, rules, as public schools do?

Just my opinion.

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Charter schools don't have their own rules, they're in a public board and required to teach the same curriculum as everyone else. Thats a fact, it's not an opinion.

I don't think people applied to go to residential schools at all. I think indigenous people were forcibly removed from their families and taken to them. My great grandmother (who was metis) hid her children and bleached her skin to avoid having my grandmother removed and taken to a residential school. My grandmother is in her 90s and can't talk about it without weeping. To compare that to special interest charters that people voluntarily sign their kids up for is abhorrent.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

There is so much wrong in this post that it is laughable and non-sense. Most of it doesn't deserve a response. I'll address the curriculum issue, they do follow the Alberta curriculum like all publicly funded schools. What they do in addition to the curriculum is they supplement it with additional teaching, focus and resources in specific areas.

What is the difference between public schools and charter schools?

You haven't addressed anything, and charter schools with their own rules with public money is a terrible idea which has been proven.

Whats the difference, in Alberta, and why should us taxpayers support charter schools with private agreements and no standards, unlike the public school system?

You advocated and said they are a good thing and our money should go there, show us the differences between charter, and public and why they don't need to follow federal rules, any educational standards or the same guidelines as public schools but my money should goto them.

Laughable is your defensiveness and ignoring the closeness related to letting schools make their own rules in private agreements.

Do you know if charter schools get 60 percent, religious schools get 40 percent and public gets 20? You seem to be bragging about this so what are the numbers?

[Major Major]

This is some nonsense.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion but not your own facts.

Charter schools don't have their own rules, they're in a public board and required to teach the same curriculum as everyone else. Thats a fact, it's not an opinion.

I don't think people applied to go to residential schools at all. I think indigenous people were forcibly removed from their families and taken to them. My great grandmother (who was metis) hid her children and bleached her skin to avoid having my grandmother removed and taken to a residential school. My grandmother is in her 90s and can't talk about it without weeping. To compare that to special interest charters that people voluntarily sign their kids up for is abhorrent.

Would you mind a link to show where they have to follow federal and public school guidelines and rules?

I am so sorry for your family, i as well have family and friends who talked about it but it never came to light.

It was a school and parents need to enroll children in the school regardless of type.


I am trying to learn more about the differences because of the past, nothing more, nothing less. I see similarities but I don't have children in a charter school so maybe i am wrong, the definition seems to say they do not have to follow public school rules.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Sultan

You haven't addressed anything

I didn't because your post and ramblings were so ####ing stupid and off base.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sultan

Would you mind a link to show where they have to follow federal and public school guidelines and rules?

I am so sorry for your family, i as well have family and friends who talked about it but it never came to light.

It was a school and parents need to enroll children in the school regardless of type.


I am trying to learn more about the differences because of the past, nothing more, nothing less. I see similarities but I don't have children in a charter school so maybe i am wrong, the definition seems to say they do not have to follow public school rules.

I don't have children in a charter school, I just care about facts and I find the comparison to residential schools very offensive. Children were absolutely not voluntarily enrolled in residential schools and it's minimizing to suggest otherwise.

Education is a provincial responsibility, so there aren't Federal guidelines there are provincial guidelines and a curriculum of study that sets out in great detail what is to be taught in every subject/grade.


Alberta Education is 100% clear that all charter schools must follow the Alberta curriculum. https://www.alberta.ca/public-charter-schools

Charter schools follow Alberta's programs of study (curriculum)

To be honest I don't know why I'm engaging here: any set of arguments about education in Alberta that starts with a quote about the US system from a US newspaper isn't being made in good faith.