Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://globalnews.ca/news/10754874/...ebec-billions/

lol. What a waste of money. Shall we wait 2 or 3 years before we ask if anything was actually accomplished? You know, like those billions we've given other telecom companies that has resulted in nothing.

Source? I could find half a dozen news articles showing how the UBF has been successful at supporting projects across the country, but nothing that critiqued it as wasted billions.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I used to think the Bloc had zero redeeming factors, but Blanchet has Bill C-367 and I gotta say, there is zero way any logical thinking human can be against this.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/e.../first-reading

https://www.criminal-code.ca/crimina...ces/index.html

Now, I'm not a fancy law takin' guy, but as I understand it right now you can get away with hatred of a group if you can find a line in an old book that defends you, and you really really sell that you believe it. This means that there is no supremacy of Law, because it defers to fiction.

Will be interesting to see the objections to this.

My first instinct is that this may rankle with the Charter, and thus if passed likely challenged to the Supreme Court.

But, it seems the charter does contemplate this a bit:

Freedom of religion is not unlimited, “…and is restricted by the right of others to hold and to manifest beliefs and opinions of their own, and to be free from injury from the exercise of the freedom of religion of others. Freedom of religion is subject to such limitations as are necessary to protect public safety, order, health or morals and the fundamental rights and freedoms of others” (Ross, supra at paragraph 72; B.(R.), supra) at page 385; Big M, supra at page 337; Amselem, supra at paragraph 62).

A section 1 justification is unavailable where the purpose of the legislation is to infringe freedom of religion (Big M, supra at page 353; Hutterian Brethren, supra at paragraph 92).

Though, perhaps an argument could be made that this specific legislation is meant to infringe on freedom of religion?

I think this one will be quite complicated.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

My first instinct is that this may rankle with the Charter, and thus if passed likely challenged to the Supreme Court.

But, it seems the charter does contemplate this a bit:



Though, perhaps an argument could be made that this specific legislation is meant to infringe on freedom of religion?

I think this one will be quite complicated.

Ya, probably. It shouldn't be complicated. Your beliefs don't give you rights to infringe on others, even if you believe them to be true, and their was something written down thousands of years ago to back you up. Sorry, some things said and done in the past were wrong. We don't need to enshrine them in law.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Azure

Or just setup a fund that would be used to fund transitions away from high carbon stuff to low carbon stuff.

It really isn't that hard to do.

Could still be done, actually.

We fully have this in Alberta for heavy emitters. Tier is this. Emissions Reduction Alberta is the agency responsible for granting money out the door the other way.


BUT, out of curiosity, what did you think of Alberta's Climate Leadership Plan? It was pretty much exactly what youre talking about for everyone, not just for heavy emitters. I believe I recall you disparaging this as a lightbulb program fairly frequently, but now you indicate you support it? Do tell.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/428e...nfactsheet.pdf

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, probably. It shouldn't be complicated. Your beliefs don't give you rights to infringe on others, even if you believe them to be true, and their was something written down thousands of years ago to back you up. Sorry, some things said and done in the past were wrong. We don't need to enshrine them in law.

I agree with you in principle, but we've already enshrined a law to protect those old things that were said and done in the past, and peoples opinions about them. So it's not those old things we necessarily have to deal with, but one of the foundational legal documents of our society.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We fully have this in Alberta for heavy emitters. Tier is this. Emissions Reduction Alberta is the agency responsible for granting money out the door the other way.


BUT, out of curiosity, what did you think of Alberta's Climate Leadership Plan? It was pretty much exactly what youre talking about for everyone, not just for heavy emitters. I believe I recall you disparaging this as a lightbulb program fairly frequently, but now you indicate you support it? Do tell.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/428e...nfactsheet.pdf

Don't live in Alberta, so don't care about it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Source? I could find half a dozen news articles showing how the UBF has been successful at supporting projects across the country, but nothing that critiqued it as wasted billions.

There have not been billions 'gifted' to telecom industries over the years with little to show for?

Not just the UBF, but in general?
Who paid to put in the original infrastructure that they benefit from?

Crony capitalism at its finest.

[Jacks]

2.7% of the vote counted in Montreal, the Liberal candidate gave a speech and drove away. Guessing they don't feel too optimistic.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Jacks

2.7% of the vote counted in Montreal, the Liberal candidate gave a speech and drove away. Guessing they don't feel too optimistic.

Neck and neck between NDP and Bloc at the moment, the CBC just showed Bloc with a lead of like 20 votes.

NDP has a bit more of a lead over the Conservative in Winnipeg, but that one's close too.

[chemgear]

https://globalnews.ca/news/10757924/...medium=Twitter

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Monday that Canadians “are finished with and done” with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau days after pulling out of a supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals earlier this month.

“People are telling us again and again that they are fed up with and frustrated with Justin Trudeau, who has let big corporate grocery stores rip them off,” Singh said.

Singh comments come as a new Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News released on Monday showed that support for Trudeau and his Liberal government has hit a “new low,” with just over one-third of Canadians (33 per cent) approving of the Trudeau government.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

2.7% of the vote counted in Montreal, the Liberal candidate gave a speech and drove away. Guessing they don't feel too optimistic.

I guess she got early numbers, but I've never seen that before. Her speech might as well been "F it I'm outie" before she fled.


In Manitoba its a complete blood bath for the Liberal Candidate getting maybe 5% of the vote and a neck and neck race between the Cons and the NDP.


The calls for Trudeau's head in the Liberal Party are going to intensify after tonight, I guess him playing the rocky theme in front of his party this morning didn't work.

[Jacks]

Crazy thing is that they've only counted 1/3 of the ballots in Montreal and the spread between the 3 parties is around 2%, the Libs might still win that seat. Maybe she had an early appt tomorrow and wanted to get to bed.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Azure

Trying to change behavioural spending without creating long-term incentives to push the spending in a certain direction = failure. We're over 10 years into this stupidity and there still aren't proper incentives in place to allow people & businesses to permanently move away from carbon based anything.

Of course there's an incentive. The tax is the incentive. Emit less carbon, pay less tax, profit from your rebate. If it's not working, increase the tax, increase the incentive. You're complaining that there's no incentive to take the incentive.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://globalnews.ca/news/10757924/...medium=Twitter

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Monday that Canadians “are finished with and done” with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau days after pulling out of a supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals earlier this month.

“People are telling us again and again that they are fed up with and frustrated with Justin Trudeau, who has let big corporate grocery stores rip them off,” Singh said.

Singh comments come as a new Ipsos poll conducted exclusively for Global News released on Monday showed that support for Trudeau and his Liberal government has hit a “new low,” with just over one-third of Canadians (33 per cent) approving of the Trudeau government.

The only way we'll know with certainty if Canadians are finished and done with Trudeau is with an election. Make it happen Jagmeet.

[Party Elephant]

The votes are in, and the Bloc takes it. Only 600 votes between first and third. The lead was changing constantly throughout the Vote count with the bloc, liberals and NDP ahead at various points.

NDP holds in Winnipeg.

[Azure]

Isn't that Paul Martin's old riding and a Liberal stronghold the last century? Ouch.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Isn't that Paul Martin's old riding and a Liberal stronghold the last century? Ouch.

Yeah the Quebec seat is a huge blow.


The Manitoba seat has traditionally been a NDP strong seat. What's interesting is it looks like most of the Liberal votes in the crushing went to the Conservatives not the NDP.


I expect that a lot of Liberal MP's are leaving flaming bags of poop on the Prime Ministers porch this morning.

[Azure]

The Manitoba seat has a decent MP. I would vote for him even if the federal NDP party is a pile of trash.

[Jason14h]

Will we see liberals drop to 4th in this upcoming election ? Some polls suggesting it’s possible

[Firebot]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...yelection-loss

“We need people to be more engaged. We need people to understand what’s at stake in this upcoming election. Obviously, it would have been nicer to be able to — to win and hold Verdun — but there is more work to do and we’re going to stay focused on doing it,” Trudeau said before his cabinet met Tuesday morning.

I don't even know what to say.