Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by timun

iggy_oi, please, there's no good reason to pollute this thread by interacting with Azure.

People used to say similar things about responding to me, now those people have either changed their tune or just quietly keep those thoughts to themselves. I’m not going to speculate on which scenario is most likely.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

People used to say similar things about responding to me, now those people have either changed their tune or just quietly keep those thoughts to themselves. I’m not going to speculate on which scenario is most likely.

At least you can form an intelligent thought.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At least you can form an intelligent thought.

You take that back Pepsi, you have no evidence to substantiate your claim

[timun]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

People used to say similar things about responding to me, now those people have either changed their tune or just quietly keep those thoughts to themselves. I’m not going to speculate on which scenario is most likely.

I'm not gonna lie: I actually had you on ignore for a few days, a few months back. You went off in Locke's Greyhound thread about a comment I made about Locke's coworkers 20+ years ago making $10+/hr being overpaid.

I found you annoying, you found me... unreasonable, let's say. But it's all cool, it's fine. Ultimately:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At least you can form an intelligent thought.

Whereas, *ahem*, certain people I've ignored for a long time now, because it's patently obvious that there's no point in interacting with them whatsoever.

[timun]

BREAKING NEWS!!! (I saw this on Reddit just now, and am blatantly copying it)

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/ei-kind-...ians-1.7033391

A Liberal MP from Cape Breton is taking some heat for a remark about Atlantic Canadians.

Nova Scotia Liberal MP Jaime Battiste spoke with reporters on Monday in Nanaimo, B.C., where a three-day national caucus meeting is taking place.

Battiste was asked about whether the Liberals are “in trouble” in Atlantic Canada.

“I don’t get that sense that we’re in trouble in the Atlantic. I think the Atlantic has typically been a progressive spot, you know … it's one of those places that are kind of meat and potatoes, fisheries, EI kind of folks that tell us how they think we’re doing and from all indications that I’ve had they don’t reflect what the polls show,” he said.

Woooooooooooooooooow that's a brazenly-####ing-stupid way to describe your fellow Nova Scotians. "EI kind of folks". Holy ####, what a maroon.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by timun

I'm not gonna lie: I actually had you on ignore for a few days, a few months back. You went off in Locke's Greyhound thread about a comment I made about Locke's coworkers 20+ years ago making $10+/hr being overpaid.

I found you annoying, you found me... unreasonable, let's say. But it's all cool, it's fine.

I recall the meltdown lol

J/k

I had sent you a PM explaining that I was poking fun more than anything else and it was more of an inside joke with another poster but if I was on your ignore list at the time you probably didn’t receive it. All good though buddy, I don’t really have the energy to hold a grudge with anyone on this forum.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Breaking News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bus...nada-1.7320108





Well there you have it, an actual (in my opinion very strong pro-union) statement and position from Poilievre on binding arbitration at least in this case. Though at this time it remains to be seen if the Liberals are planning to use binding arbitration again, especially considering they did with Westjet and the rail workers.

It appears they are taking advantage of the break up and promote itself as not just the working class party but supportive of workers and union rights to take away from traditional NDP supporters. Could that be a sign of a shift of stance on their future platform? I don't quite see it and see it more as opportunistic, but he smells blood in the water right now due to the atrocious NDP leadership.

Well at least you see it for what it is.. it is really easy to be pro-union from the opposition side of the house. Of course the last time the CPC were running things they were very different, like in 2011 with Air Canada (twice), or 2011 with Canada Post or in 2012 with Air Canada, or 2012 with CP... wow Lisa Raitt really loved her back to work legislation.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by timun

BREAKING NEWS!!! (I saw this on Reddit just now, and am blatantly copying it)

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/ei-kind-...ians-1.7033391




Woooooooooooooooooow that's a brazenly-####ing-stupid way to describe your fellow Nova Scotians. "EI kind of folks". Holy ####, what a maroon.

To be fair, he kind of has a history of saying stupid ####

[timun]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I recall the meltdown lol

J/k

I had sent you a PM explaining that I was poking fun more than anything else and it was more of an inside joke with another poster but if I was on your ignore list at the time you probably didn’t receive it. All good though buddy, I don’t really have the energy to hold a grudge with anyone on this forum.

I never did get the PM, no.

[timun]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

To be fair, he kind of has a history of saying stupid ####

Does he? I know nothing about him.

[CliffFletcher]

Canada is getting poorer when compared to its wealthy peers, data shows

… Paul Beaudry served as deputy governor of the Bank of Canada from 2019 and 2023 and is now a professor at the Vancouver School of Economics at UBC.

"Relative to other countries, we're getting collectively poorer," Beaudry told CBC News. "And it's not only relative to the U.S., it's relative to a lot of other countries. We're in the laggard group."

A rising GDP per capita means there's more wealth to go around — including for governments, which can collect more tax revenue from a growing economy without necessarily raising taxes.

"Growing GDP per capita allows us to be richer and have all the things we want more of, like public services, health care and education. And we're falling behind," Beaudry said.

… In 2002, Canadian GDP per capita was 8.6 per cent higher than the OECD average — a point of pride that meant Canada was outperforming other advanced economies.

But that changed in 2022 as Canada's GDP per capita slipped below the average, according to OECD data compiled by Schembri and the Fraser Institute.

At $46,035 US per capita, Canada ranked just below the OECD average of $46,266 US in 2022.

"I don't think we want to see a future for Canada where we lag behind all these other countries and we just get poorer and poorer over time," Beaudry said.

"We don't want to become another Argentina," he said, referring to a once-rich country that was mismanaged for decades and is now a middling economic force. "That's why we have to worry about this."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...rich-1.7318989

Reasons cited in the article for declining GDP per capita:

* Large influx of low-skilled workers
* Lack of competition in key sectors and low business investment in tech and productivity
* Government policy more focused on redistributing wealth than generating it

[opendoor]

That's primarily a function of the bottom of the OECD gaining and bringing the average up. The bottom 50% in 2002 grew their GDP per capita at a rate about 3x that the top 50%. And also, the absolute highest ranking nations saw disproportionate increases, largely through their role as tax havens, which artificially boosts GDP. That also brings the average up.

In terms of GDP per capita ranking within the OECD, Canada has been remarkably consistent over the decades:

1995: 12th
2000: 14th
2005: 14th
2010: 15th
2015: 14th
2020: 15th
2022: 14th

And of course GDP per capita isn't necessarily a great measure. In terms of actual real wages, Canada's growth has been quite good over that period. Since 2002, Real Wages (USD PPP adjusted) in Canada have grown by 26.5%, which is higher than all of the following:

USA
Australia
Denmark
Luxembourg
Finland
France
Germany
UK
Switzerland
Austria
Netherlands
Japan
Belgium

Or put another way, among the top 20 nations in terms of GDP per capita, Canada has seen the 7th fastest wage growth over that period, behind the Czech Republic, New Zealand, South Korea, Iceland, Sweden, and Ireland.

[CliffFletcher]

The article narrows in to look at peer anglo countries.

Notably, Canada has lost ground to peer countries like Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

Canada and Australia were equally as rich in 2002, but today, Canada's Commonwealth cousin is now wealthier.

Canada's GDP per capita was almost identical to Australia's in 2002 but it fell to 96.6 per cent of Australia's by 2014 and to 91.2 per cent by 2022.

Canada has a higher GDP per capita than New Zealand, but that Commonwealth country has been closing the gap. So has the United Kingdom, despite the economic shock of Brexit and other convulsions.

[chemgear]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1831349959456678056

[Firebot]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-climate-plan/

“We want to see an approach to fighting the climate crisis where it doesn’t put the burden on the backs of working people, where big polluters have to pay their fair share,” he said. “We’ve been working on a plan, and we’ll be releasing our plan, our vision, for how we can do that in a stronger way in the coming months.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sin...-tax-1.7321426


HAHAHAHAHAH

You can't even make this up if you tried, it's so absurd. NDP pretending to suddenly be against the carbon tax they continuously propped up including March 21 of this year in defense of it, and only now trying to distance itself from it. They can't say what their plan is because they have not made one yet, but need to say something now to salvage Monday's byelection.

C'mon NDP supporters have at it. Explain your way out of this one.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-climate-plan/



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sin...-tax-1.7321426


HAHAHAHAHAH

You can't even make this up if you tried, it's so absurd. NDP pretending to suddenly be against the carbon tax they continuously propped up including March 21 of this year in defense of it, and only now trying to distance itself from it. They can't say what their plan is because they have not made one yet, but need to say something now to salvage Monday's byelection.

C'mon NDP supporters have at it. Explain your way out of this one.

Le sigh... ok..

2021

"Our commitment is we have to fight this climate crisis with everything we have," Singh told reporters at a campaign event at Universite de Sherbrooke.

Singh has accused Trudeau throughout the campaign of giving large carbon emitters exemptions and letting them off the hook. The NDP leader has positioned his party as the one most concerned about the environment and has criticized Trudeau's climate strategy as being too soft on big polluters.

...


Singh said the Liberals' strategy is not good enough to tackle the climate crisis. He said the NDP will make the carbon tax more fair and roll back loopholes. But the NDP's plan has been criticized for lacking detail.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/fede...licy-1.5589622

April 2024

“Our position on fighting the climate crisis has not changed. We believe absolutely in a price on pollution, but we also believe the price has to be fair, and right now the Liberals are not making a fair plan. They’re saying big polluters get bigger and bigger profits and working class people get nothing. That is wrong,” Singh said ahead of question period.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10424745/...levy-gasoline/

NDP's position has been pretty consistent. Yes they supported the current Liberal carbon policy indirectly through the Confidence and Supply agreement, but again that is the lesser of two evils than the CPC doing nothing on the climate change front. But the NDP have been saying they don't agree with the current set up for a lot longer than today.

[cral12]

@dbeggs13
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Sep 11
Poilevre, in Toronto for $5000/plate fundraiser for himself at Royal CDN Yacht Club was complaining about elite Justin Trudeau attending elite TIFF, where adult tickets started at $16.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The article narrows in to look at peer anglo countries.

Sure, but that assumes that GDP per capita is a more important measure than things like median wages, net worth, etc. Some countries don't even use GDP per capita anymore because it gets distorted by international commerce.

Ireland is a good example. From 2012 to 2022, their GDP per capita went up 110%, including nearly 25% in 1 year. Why? Primarily because Apple increasingly shifted their non-US intellectual property there. So the GDP gets credited to Ireland, but the money flows from outside Ireland, through Apple's Irish subsidiary (which only exists because of low corporate tax rates), and then the profits flow back out to international investors. The actual country and its residents got very little benefit from that as evidenced by wage growth. As I mentioned, GDP per capita went up 110% in 10 years; in that same period, real wages in Ireland actually declined by 3.5%.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by cral12

@dbeggs13
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Sep 11
Poilevre, in Toronto for $5000/plate fundraiser for himself at Royal CDN Yacht Club was complaining about elite Justin Trudeau attending elite TIFF, where adult tickets started at $16.

Come on, all politics aside this Trump level lazy tweet.

Its a fund raiser that is for a campaign, not for Pierre himself to buy Gucci suits. Its basically a work function to generate revenue.

Then to contrast with a guy who travels on business and pleasure in the most uppity of places, because he just happens to be a free movie festival, also to plug himself, it's just dumb.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Sure, but that assumes that GDP per capita is a more important measure than things like median wages, net worth, etc. Some countries don't even use GDP per capita anymore because it gets distorted by international commerce.

Ireland is a good example. From 2012 to 2022, their GDP per capita went up 110%, including nearly 25% in 1 year. Why? Primarily because Apple increasingly shifted their non-US intellectual property there. So the GDP gets credited to Ireland, but the money flows from outside Ireland, through Apple's Irish subsidiary (which only exists because of low corporate tax rates), and then the profits flow back out to international investors. The actual country and its residents got very little benefit from that as evidenced by wage growth. As I mentioned, GDP per capita went up 110% in 10 years; in that same period, real wages in Ireland actually declined by 3.5%.

On the other hand relative GDP changes to other nations is indicative of an issue. I think the Australia comparison is a good one to follow as you have resources based moderate sized economies. Also the comparison to where we sit in OCED is also a reasonable methodology. So I agree GDP is an imperfect measure but the trends in GDP are a negative indicator for Canada.