Canadian Military News

[CaptainCrunch]

Irving built a series of crappy boats, and we're on the hook for the repairs, even though they're brand new.


And now Irving is building our severely overpriced Future Surface Combatants. I can't wait to see what the cost over runs and poor quality issues are going to be on them.

[Harry Lime]

I'm a little curious about something, and if any of the military honks in CP would have some insight.

With the recent Russian bot action supporting PP, and past Chinese bot action supporting Trudeau, would making Canada's niche in Norad, cyber security be a possibility?

Just dump a tonne of resources and money into cyber warfare, to meet our obligations. Canada already has a lot of infrastructure in this area, and a good educational backbone.

Would it be a good idea to lend into that, as a small country that could have an oversized impact in this area?

[undercoverbrother]

Sept 9, 1993

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm a little curious about something, and if any of the military honks in CP would have some insight.

With the recent Russian bot action supporting PP, and past Chinese bot action supporting Trudeau, would making Canada's niche in Norad, cyber security be a possibility?

Just dump a tonne of resources and money into cyber warfare, to meet our obligations. Canada already has a lot of infrastructure in this area, and a good educational backbone.

Would it be a good idea to lend into that, as a small country that could have an oversized impact in this area?

Sure, but I doubt anyone in Norad or NATO would trust us fully, especially after the election interference report with 11 people working for the Chinese government in the house of commons.



Plus there are other countries with a massive head start in cyber war like the US.



We definitely need to do a better job just generally in our government in terms of cyber security.

[RoadGame]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sept 9, 1993

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Medak_Pocket

Medak Pocket for those unfamiliar with the operation.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by RoadGame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Medak_Pocket

Medak Pocket for those unfamiliar with the operation.

A 7 month cluster #### compressed into a week.

What a #### show that tour was on so many fronts

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

A 7 month cluster #### compressed into a week.

What a #### show that tour was on so many fronts

I appreciate your service. Much respect.

[karl262]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxvgbJo1fA...XPIx2fGAKHOF1Y

This week Perun is doing a piece on Canadian military procurement.

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[CaptainCrunch]

Damning opening statement by Andrew Leslie today in front of the National Defense Committee.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854669220962857419


We know that nearly half of the Canadian Military isn't operational.



We know that more then half of our ground forces vehicles are broken.

We've been deploying coastal defence boats (And they're badly built boats) for deep water deployments because the Halifax Frigates are beyond aged.

• 54% of out land vehicles Army are operational.
• Greater then half of our naval vessels are not operational due to a combination of being broken or not having sailors to main them.
• 55% of our aircraft (Fighters, transport, rotary wing) are not operational and we have a fatal shortage of pilots. By the time the F-35's arrive we might not have experienced pilots to fly them.
• We have no in theatre air defence systems.
• The armed forces is short about 15,000 people, and while the government talked about recruiting the process of recruiting and getting kids into uniforms and trained is a joke, taking forever to process them in to the point that most people that try to join just give up.
• We have at most 3 days worth of ammunition, we'd be reduced to yelling bang (Don't laugh when I was in in 1989 I went for one field excercise and for 3 weeks worth of training we were given 2 30 round mags of blank rounds and told to yell bang when we ran out. We got 1 day on the range where I got the honor of shooting 60 rounds in that 3 weeks. It was then that I decided to leave the Military before they deployed me somewhere and got me killed).
• Our procurement process is a joke, It literally takes decades to buy anything. Our insistance on Canadianizing things to satisfy companies like Bombardier, or Irving Shipyards actually harms us and leads to quality control issues (See the coastal defence vehicles. The purchase of sleeping bags, The F-35 procurement, the design problems with the next generation River Class Destroyers).
• Surprisingly I'm find with this, but for a country that brags about our duty to peacekeeping, we are actually hollow.
• In terms of major natural disasters, it would be questionable if we can even effectively handle one incident now, and would need to beg for help from the States.

And before you jump on me. Yes a large part of this is on the Liberals who have rolled out incompetent and dishonest defence ministers like Bill Blair, Harjit Saijan and so on. But, the rot goes back further to the Conservatives under Harper, who threw up their hands and slapped some tape on the Armed Forces without any kind of strategic vision. To Chretien who literally wore out the forces with deployments while neglecting the men and equipment that served him, to Brian Mulroney who had big vision and no execution.



To me even if we do drive up our spending to 2%, its not going to fix a thing. Its beyond that, the Forces are rusted out, the pride in serving and the ability to recruit is gone, we pay for an armed forces (not really) and we got a constabulary.

[btimbit]

We all know government inefficiencies are a thing, but I'll never forget the first time I applied.

Just never heard anything. Not a word. It's probably still sitting in a stack of paper somewhere

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Damning opening statement by Andrew Leslie today in front of the National Defense Committee.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854669220962857419


We know that nearly half of the Canadian Military isn't operational.



We know that more then half of our ground forces vehicles are broken.

We've been deploying coastal defence boats (And they're badly built boats) for deep water deployments because the Halifax Frigates are beyond aged.

• 54% of out land vehicles Army are operational.
• Greater then half of our naval vessels are not operational due to a combination of being broken or not having sailors to main them.
• 55% of our aircraft (Fighters, transport, rotary wing) are not operational and we have a fatal shortage of pilots. By the time the F-35's arrive we might not have experienced pilots to fly them.
• We have no in theatre air defence systems.
• The armed forces is short about 15,000 people, and while the government talked about recruiting the process of recruiting and getting kids into uniforms and trained is a joke, taking forever to process them in to the point that most people that try to join just give up.
• We have at most 3 days worth of ammunition, we'd be reduced to yelling bang (Don't laugh when I was in in 1989 I went for one field excercise and for 3 weeks worth of training we were given 2 30 round mags of blank rounds and told to yell bang when we ran out. We got 1 day on the range where I got the honor of shooting 60 rounds in that 3 weeks. It was then that I decided to leave the Military before they deployed me somewhere and got me killed).
• Our procurement process is a joke, It literally takes decades to buy anything. Our insistance on Canadianizing things to satisfy companies like Bombardier, or Irving Shipyards actually harms us and leads to quality control issues (See the coastal defence vehicles. The purchase of sleeping bags, The F-35 procurement, the design problems with the next generation River Class Destroyers).
• Surprisingly I'm find with this, but for a country that brags about our duty to peacekeeping, we are actually hollow.
• In terms of major natural disasters, it would be questionable if we can even effectively handle one incident now, and would need to beg for help from the States.

And before you jump on me. Yes a large part of this is on the Liberals who have rolled out incompetent and dishonest defence ministers like Bill Blair, Harjit Saijan and so on. But, the rot goes back further to the Conservatives under Harper, who threw up their hands and slapped some tape on the Armed Forces without any kind of strategic vision. To Chretien who literally wore out the forces with deployments while neglecting the men and equipment that served him, to Brian Mulroney who had big vision and no execution.



To me even if we do drive up our spending to 2%, its not going to fix a thing. Its beyond that, the Forces are rusted out, the pride in serving and the ability to recruit is gone, we pay for an armed forces (not really) and we got a constabulary.

It is sad times.

Honestly, I don't see how the military comes back from this mess.

I do not see a government coming to power that has the guts to address these problems, couple this with the Canadian public's lack of caring for the conditions for the military.

We ####ed, like I mean proper ####ed, no lube.

It scares me to think that in 1993 we were better equipped and more operationally viable than now.

[Harry Lime]

The only thing that I can think of doing, is a hard reset. Abandon some traditional military acumen and concentrate on drones, cyber warfare, r&d disruption technology etcetera. I don't think that we are in a position to catch up, at this point.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The only thing that I can think of doing, is a hard reset. Abandon some traditional military acumen and concentrate on drones, cyber warfare, r&d disruption technology etcetera. I don't think that we are in a position to catch up, at this point.

I think you are onto something, but might have missed the mark a bit.

I think we could roll back some of what we do:

- Ditch Tanks, have our armour become recce experts, both by stealth and force

- Ditch Subs, they are a ####ing nightmare. We should focus on surface vessels which can be used to deploy to various world hot spots, but when cycled back home can double as search & rescue, cuz we ain't been putting much money in the Coast Guard either.

- Lean hard into Mechanized infantry.

- Drones, with the size of this country we should be a fukcing work leader in Drones, they cover a lot of sky.

- airforce.....#### knows