Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Jacks]

I doubt that Notley would win the nomination, supporters turned on Mulcair when he tried to pull the party towards the centre.

[rubecube]

The NDP honestly need a policy wonk that's also a decent public speaker. Too often Singh has sounded totally lost when he's tried to explain NDP policy proposals.

[GGG]

I think there is a risk to Nenshi if Notley were to run to for the leadership more to left of where she was as premier it would reinforce the secret agenda of the NDP.

She’d be an asset to the NDP though.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think there is a risk to Nenshi if Notley were to run to for the leadership more to left of where she was as premier it would reinforce the secret agenda of the NDP.

She’d be an asset to the NDP though.

Interesting to wonder how she'd run. I suspect she'd actually be the most centrist of any candidate, though that'd likely be unsuccessful. But, she could make a compelling case of how she managed to turn Alberta of all places orange. Basically play to electability over ideals

[Winsor_Pilates]

Notley would be better as a federal Liberal leader.
NDP voters wouldn't support her moving too central and she'd actually be more lile what Liberal supporters soured on JT and co are wanting.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Notley would be better as a federal Liberal leader.
NDP voters wouldn't support her moving too central and she'd actually be more lile what Liberal supporters soured on JT and co are wanting.

Its interesting, but in no way would the Liberal Party at this point, nor the Eastern voters get behind a Liberal Party leader from Alberta.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The NDP honestly need a policy wonk that's also a decent public speaker. Too often Singh has sounded totally lost when he's tried to explain NDP policy proposals.

They had that in Angry Tom Mulcair, and he was basically only able to pretty much hold the line after Layton and not grown the brand.


But the problem with Singh isn't his public speaking, his problem is he comes across as insincere.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Interesting to wonder how she'd run. I suspect she'd actually be the most centrist of any candidate, though that'd likely be unsuccessful. But, she could make a compelling case of how she managed to turn Alberta of all places orange. Basically play to electability over ideals

Yeah if ran where she governed in Alberta it could help but I agree she wouldn’t win. You are well into the Federal Liberals range at that point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The NDP honestly need a policy wonk that's also a decent public speaker. Too often Singh has sounded totally lost when he's tried to explain NDP policy proposals.

Really? I've always found Singh to be the most eloquent speakers out of most of the leaders.

Elizabeth May always sounds like she's trying to sell me a time-share in Hell, Poilievre sounds like he's trying to sell me on some off-brand religious cult and Trudeau always sounds like he has no goddamned clue where he is, what he's doing or why he's there at all.

Bernier sounds like he's trying to recruit me into some weirdo French para-military organization.

I've liked Singh as a speaker for the most part. Sure, most of what he says is barely intelligible nonsense, but I find at least he says it well.

[CaptainCrunch]

Althia Raj is reporting that a third of the Liberal Caucus isn't going to show up at Monday's Liberal Caucus meeting in Nanaimo. Mark Carney is expected to show up to present a economic plan.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1832952625819537437


It'll be interesting to see who specifically doesn't show up.

[powderjunkie]

Seems a little funny to meet in Nanaimo when there are 17 Liberal seats west of Manitoba...and like 140 back in the east.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Seems a little funny to meet in Nanaimo when there are 17 Liberal seats west of Manitoba...and like 140 back in the east.

Somebody wants to go Surfing...

[Torture]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

They had that in Angry Tom Mulcair, and he was basically only able to pretty much hold the line after Layton and not grown the brand.


But the problem with Singh isn't his public speaking, his problem is he comes across as insincere.

Angry Tom Mulcair's pivot into Smilin' Tom during the election and was just so hilariously bad. In a very different way, he had the same problem of insincerity.

Singh just seems like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth when he criticizes the Liberals. Justin Trudeau is the WORST but hey, we got him to do some of our stuff so he's not all bad. But wait he's the WORST!

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Torture

Angry Tom Mulcair's pivot into Smilin' Tom during the election and was just so hilariously bad. In a very different way, he had the same problem of insincerity.

Singh just seems like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth when he criticizes the Liberals. Justin Trudeau is the WORST but hey, we got him to do some of our stuff so he's not all bad. But wait he's the WORST!

I think that is more symptomatic of our system and how we view politicians. It is so engrained in us that if you are on the other side of the aisle you MUST oppose everything brought forward by the other side. We have a system that has very little reliance on co-operation, if you win, you make all the decisions regardless how much whining the other side does, so they will whine about everything.

But we are in a position where sides are having to work together. Singh is doing his best to get some concessions to meet his own party needs while propping up a party that he inherently has to constantly bitch about and degrade.

Even in the States you see a lot more bipartisanship than you ever see in Canada - so now we actually have to have it, it sounds dishonest.

[timun]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I think that is more symptomatic of our system and how we view politicians. It is so engrained in us that if you are on the other side of the aisle you MUST oppose everything brought forward by the other side. We have a system that has very little reliance on co-operation, if you win, you make all the decisions regardless how much whining the other side does, so they will whine about everything.

Originally Posted by timun

We've also become numb to these calls for resignations because the opposition parties call for it all the time, over just about anything. In this respect I think the alleged unwavering adherence to our "adversarial" Westminster parliamentary system is failing us. (I say "alleged" because I believe the opposition uses "we're just doing our job as opposition!" as an excuse for crappy governance, and a cudgel for political gains.) Conservatives are calling for Mendicino's resignation because that's what they do for just about anything and everything: they oppose everything the government does, paint them in the least flattering manner possible, and at a certain point its inevitable (to me) that all the bluster falls on deaf ears.

Originally Posted by timun

I think you missed my point. They don't just oppose the government "if they don't agree with what they're doing": they oppose everything for any reason whatsoever.

Originally Posted by timun

Nominally that's how our Westminster parliamentary system is "supposed" to work: the opposition is adversarial toward the government and out of this adversarial relationship the faults of the government's bills are debated and resolved and ideally "better" policy is passed into law.

In reality the opposition makes mountains out of everything let alone just molehills and as such their sometimes justifiable complaints go unnoticed. We the people are told everything the government does is terrible, whether it's actually reasonable policy or actually terrible policy, and in a sad sort of "boy-who-cried-wolf" situation a huge chunk of us tune out and don't really care.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Torture

Angry Tom Mulcair's pivot into Smilin' Tom during the election and was just so hilariously bad. In a very different way, he had the same problem of insincerity.

Singh just seems like he's talking out of both sides of his mouth when he criticizes the Liberals. Justin Trudeau is the WORST but hey, we got him to do some of our stuff so he's not all bad. But wait he's the WORST!

Singh attached himself to Trudeau for too long. He’s going to go down with the SS Trudeau whenever the election is called.

[Firebot]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ter...visa-1.7318986

Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Tuesday that Khan, a Pakistani national, obtained a student visa in May 2023 and arrived in Canada in June of that same year. He said he wouldn't be providing any further details about the suspect.

"Obviously there are criminal charges pending. As politicians, as elected officials, in order to make sure the judicial process is not compromised … it's very important that we don't comment," Miller told reporters at the Liberal caucus retreat in Nanaimo, B.C.

Because making sure the judicial process is not compromised is really Canadians top worry Miller...

This along with the recent Toronto terrorist plot arrest (that Canada also had no knowledge of but depended on foreign intelligence tip to stop) makes for some serious questions about our intelligence competency and government policies.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Because making sure the judicial process is not compromised is really Canadians top worry Miller...

I mean, there ought to be some sanctity about the separation of powers, no?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by timun

I mean, there ought to be some sanctity about the separation of powers, no?

Sure...except it's always conveniently used as an alibi for that makes the current government look bad (i.e ArriveCAN committee shutdown and foreign interference) while the government chooses to reveal information such as the Indian sponsored assassination.

Miller just does not want to explain how an ISIS terrorist got in Canada on a student visa. He even preemptively gaslighted Canadians with the 'Can't catch em all' retort. How he got a student visa has nothing to do with the judicial process by the way.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Sure...except it's always conveniently used as an alibi for that makes the current government look bad (i.e ArriveCAN committee shutdown and foreign interference) while the government chooses to reveal information such as the Indian sponsored assassination.

The revelation that the Indian government was involved in the Nijjar assassination plot came after three alleged perpetrators were charged, not while the investigation was ongoing. Surely you understand the difference in how releasing that information beforehand would have affected the process?