Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I was just poking fun at that being something I could easily see him saying.

I’ve found his attacks on Singh only keeping the supply and confidence deal going so he can get his pension to be a bit of a joke. Admittedly I haven’t seen any polling numbers but I’ve read nothing about Singh being likely to lose his seat if they held an election today so it just comes off as more grandstanding from a guy who doesn’t really seem to have much of a plan aside from saying he’ll get rid of a tax. A tax that consumers might not even see any actual cost relief from if the gas companies decide to just increase their prices when it’s gone.

So you didn't bother to see any polling number yet still decided to make some statement on that lack of information just because it fits your grandstanding narrative?

And yes his seat is most certainly in jeopardy (his Burnaby South riding is being changed into Burnaby Central which is currently projecting CPC).

https://338canada.com/59002e.htm

The election date change drew a lot of criticism as it would secure pensions for many outgoing MPs, so much so that the NDP tried to get the Liberals to revert back the date but it was too late. Singh won in a byelection and as such his own date for eligibility is earlier than October 2025 (Feb 2025)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ng-leadership/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-...-mps-1.6906604

[Ozy_Flame]

A right-leaning poster suggested no one is suggesting an election is happening tomorrow.

Sounds like a pretty prominent one wants on ASAP.

Spoiler!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

So you didn't bother to see any polling number yet still decided to make some statement on that lack of information just because it fits your grandstanding narrative?

Yes, I believe that’s exactly what I said. Not sure but here’s what my gut tells me. Not sure why you find that to be so unreasonable

Are you arguing that it’s not fair for someone to consider something Pierre says to be grandstanding because it’s not something he’s been known to do?

And yes his seat is most certainly in jeopardy (his Burnaby South riding is being changed into Burnaby Central which is currently projecting CPC).

https://338canada.com/59002e.htm

Ok so it looks like it’s a coin toss. Meaning there’s just as good of a chance he gets re-elected. I guess that means it probably is grandstanding, if he had little to no chance of winning I’d say his comments are fair but that isn’t the case.

The election date change drew a lot of criticism as it would secure pensions for many outgoing MPs, so much so that the NDP tried to get the Liberals to revert back the date but it was too late. Singh won in a byelection and as such his own date for eligibility is earlier than October 2025 (Feb 2025)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ng-leadership/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-...-mps-1.6906604

What I found most interesting was that the CPC weren’t the first to bring up this issue but are now banging the drum the loudest, perhaps it had something to do with members of their party not wanting to lose their pensions either?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What I found most interesting was that the CPC weren’t the first to bring up this issue but are now banging the drum the loudest, perhaps it had something to do with members of their party not wanting to lose their pensions either?

CPC MPs aren't in danger of losing seats when they are about to win a large majority...

C'mon man you can use a bit of logical thinking here. The NDP also backtracked when they realized that the date change by the Liberals on the pretense of honoring Diwali may have had an ulterior motive for a party that is expected to lose over 80 seats and caught the NDP in the election date change controversy (they first voted for it). That's the issue with supply and confidence deals / coalitions, you are the first to be hit when #### hits the fan.

It should also be noted that the recent Liberal MPs that stepped down (Lametti, O'Reagan, Fillmore, Aldag) had their pensions already secured being from the old 2015 guard, all did their 6 years+ and get no benefit from staying longer on a sinking ship.

[OldDutch]

Not a fan of childish name calling but sellout Singh has a good ring to it

[calgarygeologist]

Just a heads up that there currently is no covid vaccine available in Canada as the current formulation has been "taken off the shelves" and the new formulation hasn't been approved by Health Canada yet.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...9-vaccine.html

[powderjunkie]

I think this could be kinda smart by Singh, depending on how he follows it up.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

CPC MPs aren't in danger of losing seats when they are about to win a large majority...

No seat is ever guaranteed. For the sake of argument though let’s say that they weren’t in any danger whatsoever of losing their seats, shouldn’t that have given them even more reason to say something first before the NDP called it out.

Please don’t tell me that a party lead by a former 2 time shadow minister of finance wasn’t too busy ranting on script about the costs of things like the carbon tax and CBC to notice something that was going to cost the taxpayers well over a hundred million dollars.

C'mon man you can use a bit of logical thinking here.

Not sure what I’ve said to this point would be considered as illogical but you’re welcome to clarify on some of the specifics that you’re implying.

The NDP also backtracked when they realized that the date change by the Liberals on the pretense of honoring Diwali may have had an ulterior motive for a party that is expected to lose over 80 seats and caught the NDP in the election date change controversy (they first voted for it). That's the issue with supply and confidence deals / coalitions, you are the first to be hit when #### hits the fan.

How big of a deal do you consider the pension issue to be?

It should also be noted that the recent Liberal MPs that stepped down (Lametti, O'Reagan, Fillmore, Aldag) had their pensions already secured being from the old 2015 guard, all did their 6 years+ and get no benefit from staying longer on a sinking ship.

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with how their pensions work but once they are eligible for the pension it increases the longer they serve so I wouldn’t say there’s no benefit.

[Jacks]

Poilievre needs to stop with the "sellout Singh" crap, it's childish.


If Singh wants to bash Trudeau, don't interrupt him.

[timun]

That's Poilievre and the Conservatives' whole shtick, though. There's a very large contingent of the CPC voter base who love that childish crap.

[Fuzz]

Straight out of Trump's playbook. Seems to work on the same type.

[Looch City]

Nice I can't wait for Timbit Trump to become Prime Minister.

[timun]

Bitcoin Milhouse, you mean?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Nice I can't wait for Timbit Trump to become Prime Minister.

But Puppet Pierre had such a nice ring to it.

All jokes aside the lame ass name calling stuff is ridiculous. It’d be one thing if it were just random off the cuff comments but when someone does it repetitively while they’re supposed to be convincing everyone that they’re a strong intelligent leader it’s pretty telling.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Pretty sad when you loathe the next PM before they're even voted in yet.

The Trumpy, childish name calling crap is already past it's due date. PP is a smug, annoying Trump wannabe, already can't stand listening to the arrogance in his voice.

[Looch City]

I just look at our own AB "conservatives" and can't imagine the absolute sheer level of grift and ridiculousness with a federal version of the UCP. They're exactly the same people in both parties.

Although maybe PP needs to still learn the ways of the grand queen of grift, Danielle Smith.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

A right-leaning poster suggested no one is suggesting an election is happening tomorrow.

Sounds like a pretty prominent one wants on ASAP.

Spoiler!

"Sellout Singh." He really is wish.com Trump.

[timun]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

All jokes aside the lame ass name calling stuff is ridiculous. It’d be one thing if it were just random off the cuff comments but when someone does it repetitively while they’re supposed to be convincing everyone that they’re a strong intelligent leader it’s pretty telling.

It's a hallmark of propaganda.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

No seat is ever guaranteed. For the sake of argument though let’s say that they weren’t in any danger whatsoever of losing their seats, shouldn’t that have given them even more reason to say something first before the NDP called it out.

Please don’t tell me that a party lead by a former 2 time shadow minister of finance wasn’t too busy ranting on script about the costs of things like the carbon tax and CBC to notice something that was going to cost the taxpayers well over a hundred million dollars.

You are absolutely something else today, you need to read articles and not just throw out whatever you want to make real.

In the very same article, March 22.

In a March interview(opens in a new tab) on The Alex Pierson Show, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said he opposed delaying the fixed election date, and vowed to vote against it.

"I'm not good with the changes. I agree that the election shouldn't be on holiday for millions of Canadians. However, the answer to that is move the election forward," he said. "Of course it's not about Diwali, they want to get their pensions."

Other article...also in March revealing what the date change would mean.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...b63b64601.html

How big of a deal do you consider the pension issue to be?

Ahem...reads the exact same article...again...from May 30 over 2 months after Poilievre's comments and 2 months after the Toronto Star pointed it out...suddenly having an epiphany.

It is a perk of the date change NDP MP and the party's democratic institutions critic Lisa Marie Barron says "doesn't look good," in the broader context of Canadians' cost of living concerns.

"I've had constituents and Canadians bring this to my attention, and I just want to make very clear that right now is not the time for members of Parliament to be thinking about their own financial gain," she said in an interview. "We want to make sure that we're very clear from the onset around the necessary amendments for us to move forward on this."

"There's a lot of really important pieces to this bill," Barron said. "But I can say with certainty that I will not be supporting members of Parliament who were not eligible for their pensions prior, now being eligible."

Seems like it was quite a big deal for NDP'ers...after the fact and realizing their own constituents absolutely hated their own party appearing to extend pensions for themselves. Again, the joys of the deal.

Wait...

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en...49?view=result

Wednesday, June 19, 2024

NDP
Yea: 23
Nay: 0
Paired: 0

NDP still voted for it despite their play to the media about the date. Both the Bloc and the CPC voted against it, with both very dead set against it and several MPs that had their own pension in jeopardy vouching to run on their own records and asking the NDP MPs to do the same. NDP voted for it being on the record they would ask for an amendment when it goes to committee...lol

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVi...ng-334/hansard

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentVi...ng-322/hansard

You can view the debate there if you want.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

"Sellout Singh." He really is wish.com Trump.