BC Lags Behind Other Provinces in Life Satisfaction

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by blankall

Just saw a nasty picture of the hand. The victims both look pretty old. Wonder if he was targeting older people, or they were the ones who couldn't run away fast enough.

That's terrifying to me. My elderly mother (in her 70s) still works in Chinatown on Keefer half a block away from Main to keep her brain active and relationships alive with her colleagues, but I get so worried for her even though she has like zero fear going down there a few times a week from Richmond. When I still lived in Vancouver, I'd meet her down there for lunch schedule permitting regularly and she'd saunter out of her workplace with her small wallet in hand with addicts all around her. Zero fear, like, "put that #### away, mom!!"

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by opendoor

The chief was just stating a fact, that the accused had prior convictions. But without knowing the details, it's impossible to determine whether him being free right now is some sort of failure of the justice system. We can't keep people locked up indefinitely on the presumption that they will commit murder in the future.

Maybe his prior offences warranted longer punishment, in which case some criticism is fair. But we don't know anything about them at this point so trying to tie it to politics is a bit premature. Assault and Assault Causing Bodily Harm can be serious offences, or they can be something like getting into a fist fight and injuring the other person.

Please. I'm pretty sure the guy didn't go from a schoolyard fight by the bike racks to severing people's limbs with a machete.
This happens way to often in the province. The justice system is a joke and has failed time and time again. You don't need additional facts here to understand that.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

That quote is in the article posted and details given by the chief of police.
You can ask him what his motives are. What are yours?

Do you know how long his sentence was and how much time her served? Any inside info on what the terms of his probation were?

Hate to break it to you, but you can't just keep people in prison forever.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do you know how long his sentence was and how much time her served? Any inside info on what the terms of his probation were?

Hate to break it to you, but you can't just keep people in prison forever.

In BC you can't even keep them in prison for a day.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

In BC you can't even keep them in prison for a day.

I mean, that's a straight up lie. Anymore misinformation you'd like to contribute to the discussion?

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/j...dy-and-release

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I mean, that's a straight up lie. Anymore misinformation you'd like to contribute to the discussion?

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/j...dy-and-release

Yes I exaggerated to make a point. How many violent crimes have we seen committed by people who have previous convictions (sometimes a long list) for violent crimes? It's a recurring problem, and you know it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yes I exaggerated to make a point. How many violent crimes have we seen committed by people who have previous convictions (sometimes a long list) for violent crimes? It's a recurring problem, and you know it.

How many days in jail should people who have not been formally charged with a crime be forced to serve?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Do you know how long his sentence was and how much time her served? Any inside info on what the terms of his probation were?

Hate to break it to you, but you can't just keep people in prison forever.

Do you care about victims at all or are events like this just a calling to come defend a political party?
I didn't even mention politicians, parties, keep people in prison forever or anything remotely like that.

It's sad where your priorities are. At least pretend to care about the guy who was murdered or the guy who's hand was cut off for the first day.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How many days in jail should people who have not been formally charged with a crime be forced to serve?

What are you even arguing. The guy has previous convictions for violent crimes, and was obviously still a danger to the community.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Do you care about victims at all or are events like this just a calling to come defend a political party?
I didn't even mention politicians, parties, keep people in prison forever or anything remotely like that.

It's sad where your priorities are. At least pretend to care about the guy who was murdered or the guy who's hand was cut off for the first day.

He doesn't. He's ideologically possessed.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Do you care about victims at all or are events like this just a calling to come defend a political party?
I didn't even mention politicians, parties, keep people in prison forever or anything remotely like that.

Please show me where I defended a political party in either post.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by rubecube

How many days in jail should people who have not been formally charged with a crime be forced to serve?

That’s easy. They should be held in custody until trial if determined to be a threat to public safety.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That’s easy. They should be held in custody until trial if determined to be a threat to public safety.

They should be held until trial if they haven't been formally charged? You realize that we have this pesky little thing called the Charter, right?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

That’s easy. They should be held in custody until trial if determined to be a threat to public safety.

If B.C. is anything like Alberta, the problem is the court system is so under-resourced that accused can spend a year or more in custody before a trial date can be found, so jails are overflowing. Some crazy number like 50+ per cent of all people behind bars in Canada haven’t been convicted of a crime.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Yes I exaggerated to make a point. How many violent crimes have we seen committed by people who have previous convictions (sometimes a long list) for violent crimes? It's a recurring problem, and you know it.

Less than in the past. Vancouver's violent crime rate by year based on VPD statistics:

2002: 11.4
2003: 11.4
2004: 12.1
2005: 12.3
2006: 13.0
2007: 12.0
2008: 12.2
2009: 11.7
2010: 11.2
2011: 11.0
2012: 10.2
2013: 9.6
2014: 8.6
2015: 8.2
2016: 7.8
2017: 7.9
2018: 8.4
2019: 8.4
2020: 8.2
2021: 8.5
2022: 8.6
2023: 8.6


And the average length of incarceration in BC is basically unchanged in the last decade. 10 years ago 87% of sentences were 3 months or less and now that number is 88%. 3.7% of sentences were 1+ year and now it's 3.6%.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If B.C. is anything like Alberta, the problem is the court system is so under-resourced that accused can spend a year or more in custody before a trial date can be found, so jails are overflowing. Some crazy number like 50+ per cent of all people behind bars in Canada haven’t been convicted of a crime.

Yeah, this isn't a B.C.-specific issue. Unless one of the site's lawyers wants to correct me on this, 24-hour release requirements for people who haven't been charged with a crime are a federal mandate. And really, that's a good thing. It would be pretty authoritarian to keep people for longer than that if they haven't been charged with anything.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

They should be held until trial if they haven't been formally charged? You realize that we have this pesky little thing called the Charter, right?

We're talking about a guy with prior convictions that just killed and mutilated people on city streets. Do think he should be just chilling at home?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

We're talking about a guy with prior convictions that just killed and mutilated people on city streets. Do think he should be just chilling at home?

Is he currently sitting at home?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, this isn't a B.C.-specific issue. Unless one of the site's lawyers wants to correct me on this, 24-hour release requirements for people who haven't been charged with a crime are a federal mandate. And really, that's a good thing. It would be pretty authoritarian to keep people for longer than that if they haven't been charged with anything.

Its not a good thing that legitimate criminals aren't being prosecuted thoroughly enough to keep them behind bars and prevent incidents like the one from this morning. Its a fault in the system.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Its not a good thing that legitimate criminals aren't being prosecuted thoroughly enough to keep them behind bars and prevent incidents like the one from this morning. Its a fault in the system.

How do you know this person wasn't thoroughly prosecuted enough? There are sentencing guidelines that are set to be consistent with the government's obligations under the Charter. Do you have evidence that these were applied inconsistently/incorrectly in this instance?

I think everyone agrees this a tragedy, but it's premature to make the assumption that this was a system failure.