[Signing] Oilers extend F Leon Draisaitl (8x$14M AAV)

[blankall]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Spector drivel

Title
Leon Draisaitl contract a testament to ‘special’ Oilers culture

I did not provide link because it us not worth your time reading

Lol. Draisaitl structured his contract renewals to ensure he would get as much money as possible. He's the highest paid player in the league and signed until 38 years old on a buyout proof contract....where's the discount for being special?

[Enoch Root]

Why is the bar 0.8 PPG? How much is 0.8 PPG worth?

At $14M/yr, Draisaitl better be over 100 pts, even in years 5 and 6 of this contract (ages 34 and 35)

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

The players are collectively getting 50% of HRR anyway.
if you have 3 players on your team making max AAV in a year where the cap is 88M, those three make 17.6M/year and the other 20 average 1.76M per year.
I actually think a large part of the PA would not want that

The cap is $88M, but the 50% of HRR is an average of $74M. So the more teams that spend over $74M means the higher the escrow that comes back from the players.

There are currently 4 teams below the actual real cap number and the escrow is going to hit the players hard again. Two more years until the CBA opens up and it may be a harder sell to the low end guys.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lol. Draisaitl structured his contract renewals to ensure he would get as much money as possible. He's the highest paid player in the league and signed until 38 years old on a buyout proof contract....where's the discount for being special?

The only reason he re-signed is the 8th year at that cap hit. It was an act of self interest, not love for bumonton's criminal hoarding culture. Especially with the buyout proof aspect of it.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Locke

Plus...I always find it interesting when a player goes and makes a contract completely buy-out proof and that teams agree to it.

If I were in a negotiating position and the player and/or Agent came to me with a contract that was completely buyout-proof? I think I'd say something like:

"Well, 'buyout-proof' has value, so that AAV has to come down. I can't give you something of value without receiving value in return. We value you at $14m but you want this, you want that and the other things, no problem, but then then AAV has to come down accordingly as to how we value those options."

Not to mention, just the Optics of that contract. That GAF level is going to plunge into the sewer near the end of that contract as soon as the ink is dry.

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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Locke

Plus...I always find it interesting when a player goes and makes a contract completely buy-out proof and that teams agree to it.

If I were in a negotiating position and the player and/or Agent came to me with a contract that was completely buyout-proof? I think I'd say something like:

"Well, 'buyout-proof' has value, so that AAV has to come down. I can't give you something of value without receiving value in return. We value you at $14m but you want this, you want that and the other things, no problem, but then then AAV has to come down accordingly as to how we value those options."

Not to mention, just the Optics of that contract. That GAF level is going to plunge into the sewer near the end of that contract.

You can assume the above happened, more or less. Without the large bonuses and buyout proof aspect, he would have required more than $14M.

Teams agree to it because that's the FMV of those types of contracts these days.

I believe the Oilers choice was to accept the deal as is, or let him go UFA, or trade him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Of the three outcomes (extend, trade, walk) that would've served them the best by far in terms of longevity and sustaining the product beyond what this current batch of declining players has left.

Instead they choose to strap themselves into this Titanic for better or worse.

Huberdeau's contract isn't good, but at least it's no Draisaitl in a few years time.

It's a big leap of faith to assume that Leon's contract will somehow be worse than the worst contract in the league in a few years.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Spector drivel

Title
Leon Draisaitl contract a testament to ‘special’ Oilers culture

I did not provide link because it us not worth your time reading

Nothing special about it unless the culture is to get paid. Draisaitl took the bag of money. Nurse pretty much did the same thing, took the bag of money and then some. McDavid, if he stays, will take the bag of money.

What exactly special did he do when his cap % is going to be amongst the highest in the NHL when it kicks in?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Nothing special about it unless the culture is to get paid. Draisaitl took the bag of money. Nurse pretty much did the same thing, took the bag of money and then some. McDavid, if he stays, will take the bag of money.

What exactly special did he do when his cap % is going to be amongst the highest in the NHL when it kicks in?

He took a bag of money in Edmonton! Special!

They've been building something special up there since 2008

[Meers]

And they only had to pay him more than any other player in the league just to stay in Licemonton.

Isn’t that special!

[dino7c]

Edmonton propaganda is crazy...taking a discount to win

5.5M raise when they didnt win before

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Edmonton propaganda is crazy...taking a discount to win

5.5M raise when they didnt win before

How do you spin the highest paid player in NHL history as a discount contract?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How do you spin the highest paid player in NHL history as a discount contract?

They are trying, same people that were suggesting much lower numbers all summer

[Hackey]

One of the best players in the league who performs in the playoffs, they didn't have a choice. It's a lot of money but his agent knows the cap projects to rise so it's probably fair market value. A team likely would have paid more on the open market. Draisaitl at 14 is better than Matthews at 13.25.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hackey

One of the best players in the league who performs in the playoffs, they didn't have a choice. It's a lot of money but his agent knows the cap projects to rise so it's probably fair market value. A team likely would have paid more on the open market. Draisaitl at 14 is better than Matthews at 13.25.

You put Matthews on the ice with McDavid and his playoff numbers go way up. Not a chance I would take Draisaitl over Matthews.

Matthews is also two years younger and signed for 4 years. Draisaitl's contract doesn't even kick in until next year and goes for another 8 years. This would be the equivalent of Matthews re-signing at the end of his current contract for another 8 years as the highest paid player in the league.

These two contracts are night and day, and Draisaitl's is the bad one.

[dino7c]

Open market would need to be 16X7 to match the total contract. He didnt take one dime of discount

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Hackey

One of the best players in the league who performs in the playoffs, they didn't have a choice. It's a lot of money but his agent knows the cap projects to rise so it's probably fair market value. A team likely would have paid more on the open market. Draisaitl at 14 is better than Matthews at 13.25.

I am not sure this is true.

I think you can easily say Draisaitl + McDavid is better than Marner + Matthews.

Because McDavid > Matthews and Draisaitl > Marner. But what I don't think we know is what Draisaitl looks like if he didn't have McDavid long term, and what Matthews would look like if he had McDavid.

I would think Matthews might actually be even better next to 97 just like Draisaitl is.

It actually really surprised me when I saw the with or without McDavid numbers for Draisaitl...I knew it was worse as would be expected but it's actually pretty bad.

Regular Season (21-24 Even Strength)
With McDavid: 1474 TOI, 57.6% CF, 58.1% xGF, 59.3% GF
W/O McDavid: 2655 TOI, 50.3% CF, 51.5% xGF, 53.2% GF
97 w/o 29: 2716 TOI, 56.2% CF, 60.9% xGF, 58.1% GF

Playoffs (21-24 Even Strength)
With McDavid: 431 TOI, 58.6% CF, 54.9% xGF, 60.8% GF
W/O McDavid: 495 TOI, 44.8% CF, 46.2% xGF, 39.0% GF
97 w/o 29: 563 TOI, 53.4% CF, 56.7% xGF, 56.9% GF

Originally Posted by dino7c

Open market would need to be 16X7 to match the total contract. He didnt take one dime of discount

The Oilers Propaganda Committee has to spin everything.

Funny thing is they could easily just say "He's a top 10 player in the NHL and we were able to keep him, you're going to have to pay to do that". Instead they have to spin it as some discount, which it never was to start with.

-Largest AAV in NHL history
-2nd Largest Total Value Contract
-Largest 8 year contract in NHL history
-Heavily front loaded and loaded with signing bonus
-$16x7 for a team to match on the open market (which he wouldn't have gotten IMO).

Be happy he signed and agree to stay, but no need to spin it into something it's not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Edmonton fans and media celebrating that this is the biggest win in Canadian hockey history, a star player re-signing in Canada.

Iginla extended a year before his contract was up. So did Kipper. The Sedins had significant interest in free agency and stayed with Vancouver.

And yes Iggy was passed by Crosby as the best player in the league, but he was still a top tier player probably top 5 in the NHL. Kipper was a top 5 goalie. The Sedins top 10 players.

[GreenLantern2814]

Draisaitl signing means McDavid is signing - he’s basically running the organization now, and I’m sure he’ll leverage this into an ownership stake when it’s all said and done.

There is a long and time honoured culture among the Edmonton Oilers of bleeding that city dry over decades, and 29 and 97 are just embracing their part in it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Draisaitl signing means McDavid is signing - he’s basically running the organization now, and I’m sure he’ll leverage this into an ownership stake when it’s all said and done.

There is a long and time honoured culture among the Edmonton Oilers of bleeding that city dry over decades, and 29 and 97 are just embracing their part in it.

His comments didn't make it seem like a slam dunk, I did what's best for me and he will do what's best for him.