2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The Jets and flames aren't really historical trade partners, but I don't actually see a huge impediment to Perfetti- Rasmus as a base. They need some solid d and are trying to be competitive. They have Yager, Barlow, and Lambert right behind him so they aren't bereft.

I think it's an interesting one.

I really like this one. Maybe the Flames throw in Pelletier and take a contract back from Winnipeg (or not). Perfetti needs a contract which has been dragging out for a while.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I really like this one. Maybe the Flames throw in Pelletier and take a contract back from Winnipeg (or not). Perfetti needs a contract which has been dragging out for a while.

The Jets should be adding, not Calgary

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Jets should be adding, not Calgary

While Andersson has real good value, Perfetti is on the verge of popping and is likely not a trade candidate. I would do it one for one for that reason. he certainly won't come cheaply, if at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Jets should be adding, not Calgary

One for one I would be very excited about this trade. I think Perfetti is a future top 6 forward very soon

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While Andersson has real good value, Perfetti is on the verge of popping and is likely not a trade candidate. I would do it one for one for that reason. he certainly won't come cheaply, if at all.

A large percentage of players 'on the verge of popping' never do.

Andersson already has.

A large determinant of Perfetti's value is what will his next contract be? We know that Andersson has good value at his current cap hit - what will Perfetti sign for? Maybe he signs for $2.5 - $3M, at which point he would be very valuable, but I strongly doubt that. I suspect something like 3 x $4 or a longer deal like 6 X $6

At that point, Andersson is worth more.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A large percentage of players 'on the verge of popping' never do.

Andersson already has.

A large determinant of Perfetti's value is what will his next contract be? We know that Andersson has good value at his current cap hit - what will Perfetti sign for? Maybe he signs for $2.5 - $3M, at which point he would be very valuable, but I strongly doubt that. I suspect something like 3 x $4 or a longer deal like 6 X $6

At that point, Andersson is worth more.

I get that, but Andersson is signed for 2 years, then likely requires an 8 year extension that will undoubtedly age badly.

It really depends on how the Flames view Perfetti. If they love his upside, I think they would jump at that trade. I have no idea how they feel about him.

He didn't have a particularly great second half last year, I'm not sure if there is a reason for that that would be a concern?

[Jiri Hrdina]

The concerns with Perfetti have always been his skating plus the fact he's slightly undersized. So you have to believe his hockey sense will be enough to overcome that. I would take a crack.

[1qqaaz]

The Flames' future top-line center will have to be picked at the top of the draft. Maybe this year or next year. These guys can't really be reliably acquired through other means.

Zary could be a second line center. Wouldn't that be nice?
But it would be nice to get another guy for the purpose of having another option. Strong depth down the middle is important. This would be from the Andersson trade.

As for the Flames' future top-line center,
For 2025, Hagens, Frondell, Misa, Ryabkin, and McQueen can all play center.
For 2026, Roobroeck, Di Iorio, Edwards and Wassilyn can play center.

I am not one to over-value size, but it would be nice if at least one of the Flames' picks from 25/26 had some size to them. Because big guys with skill are very difficult to get, except from at the top of drafts.

[bluejays]

Truly I think CP overvalues Andersson quite a bit. I have no doubt he’s a top 50 dman in the league. He’s solid, no doubt. But he’s no game breaker at the end of the day. He’s mobile, scrappy and defensively responsible. He does a lot right. But some of the values estimating what he can bring back seem very lofty. If he had more size or speed to control the play I could see him getting these values but I don’t think he gets what is being proposed here.

To me, mid first, second, mid tier prospect is realistically what he’ll fetch.

I’m not opposed to dealing him but I don’t want Wolf decimated with no support.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Truly I think CP overvalues Andersson quite a bit. I have no doubt he’s a top 50 dman in the league. He’s solid, no doubt. But he’s no game breaker at the end of the day. He’s mobile, scrappy and defensively responsible. He does a lot right. But some of the values estimating what he can bring back seem very lofty. If he had more size or speed to control the play I could see him getting these values but I don’t think he gets what is being proposed here.

To me, mid first, second, mid tier prospect is realistically what he’ll fetch.

I’m not opposed to dealing him but I don’t want Wolf decimated with no support.

So you agree he's a top pairing Dman. And his cap hit is $4.55M for the next 2 years.

I don't see anyone over-rating him, I see a player that has a lot of value, and there is interest across the league for him. That equals a strong return. Undervaluing our players, and accepting mediocre returns for them, is not how you build your asset base.

[Shazam]

The biggest problem with Andersson is that he's not a Leaf. Then he's awesome.

[Sandman]

I think Cole Perfetti is more than just a run-of-the-mill top-6 player, he has absolute star potential. 111 points in his draft year in the OHL, and then played his D+1 in the AHL where he put up 26 points in 32 games. Like Jiri said, he has a few warts to overcome, but I think if you have a chance to grab a player like this, you should pull out all the stops.

[1qqaaz]

And I think people forget how young Cole Perfetti is because he broke into the league quite early. He's a year younger than Jakob Pelletier who is still trying to become an NHL regular.

Cole Perfetti already has two seasons with middle-6 production.

These were the Jets' top 5 players in terms of points per 60 minutes played (at least 30 games played):
1. Scheifele - 2.892
2. Kyle Connoy - 2.855
3. Nikolaj Ehlers - 2.812
4. Gabriel Vilardi - 2.702
5. Perfetti 2.363

On Calgary, that would put him ahead of guys like Huberdeau, Zary, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Backlund, etc.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Buff

I looked it up.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-ankle-injury/

The surgery is to address pre-arthritic changes... Isn't that an old persons ailment? Also, he's 33 already? Still feels like he should be around 26 or so.

An old person's or a professional athlete's ailment.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you agree he's a top pairing Dman. And his cap hit is $4.55M for the next 2 years.

I don't see anyone over-rating him, I see a player that has a lot of value, and there is interest across the league for him. That equals a strong return. Undervaluing our players, and accepting mediocre returns for them, is not how you build your asset base.

Yes, his value is that he is a top 4 D (top pairing D, depending on your discussion partner) with a 2x$4.55M contract for ages 28-29. There aren't many of those floating around.

He would be a great addition that would not break the bank for anyone looking to win now, with two cracks at it. And they can let somebody else pay the retirement contract if that's even still a thing in two years.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The concerns with Perfetti have always been his skating plus the fact he's slightly undersized. So you have to believe his hockey sense will be enough to overcome that. I would take a crack.

Yeah but I feel he's a little bit of the same of what the Flames have in Zary and Coronato. I would take a flyer on him but I wouldn't want him as a straight across return for Andersson as I feel the Flames could do better.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah but I feel he's a little bit of the same of what the Flames have in Zary and Coronato. I would take a flyer on him but I wouldn't want him as a straight across return for Andersson as I feel the Flames could do better.

I think he has more of a chance to be a centre. I'm not convinced Zary is.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

And I think people forget how young Cole Perfetti is because he broke into the league quite early. He's a year younger than Jakob Pelletier who is still trying to become an NHL regular.

Cole Perfetti already has two seasons with middle-6 production.

These were the Jets' top 5 players in terms of points per 60 minutes played (at least 30 games played):
1. Scheifele - 2.892
2. Kyle Connoy - 2.855
3. Nikolaj Ehlers - 2.812
4. Gabriel Vilardi - 2.702
5. Perfetti 2.363

On Calgary, that would put him ahead of guys like Huberdeau, Zary, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Backlund, etc.

That is an indictment on the stat, not on those players.

If there was some evidence that giving a player more ice-time would equal more points, then this stat would be gold. But the evidence isn't there. It is full of noise, including: utilization, linemates, zone starts, and even luck.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The biggest problem with Andersson is that he's not a Leaf. Then he's awesome.

I LOVE Tanev, but I can't wait for the Tanev for Norris chants this year.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Truly I think CP overvalues Andersson quite a bit. I have no doubt he’s a top 50 dman in the league. He’s solid, no doubt. But he’s no game breaker at the end of the day. He’s mobile, scrappy and defensively responsible. He does a lot right. But some of the values estimating what he can bring back seem very lofty. If he had more size or speed to control the play I could see him getting these values but I don’t think he gets what is being proposed here.

To me, mid first, second, mid tier prospect is realistically what he’ll fetch.

I’m not opposed to dealing him but I don’t want Wolf decimated with no support.

I think trading Andersson and bringing in a few more cheap, big and mean type D would do more for Wolf.

I want him seeing shots.

I don’t want him getting hurt.

For the short term, build the blue line like an O-line.