Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bagor

That's exactly what it is and that's what exactly you have done on multiple occasions in this thread shamelessly to defend the slaughter of innocents and slid on when asked to back up your lies.

blankall on Al Shifa hospital.


https://www.google.com/search?client...&bih=667&dpr=3

WHO on Al Shifa hospital. The hospital is non operational. There's a mass grave in the grounds. It is a death zone.

Repeating this because it was such a shameless whopper.


WHO according to blankall. Just randomly closing hospitals for no reason whatsoever when they're needed most.

Except I believe that according to that side, WHO is a terrorist organization/supports terrorist organizations, along with UNRWA and the larger UN.

[Snuffleupagus]

In the article the Hamas idea of negotiations is for the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces and the release of a large number of Palestinian prisoners, including high-profile militants in exchange for what's left of the hostages.

In other words lets us revamp so we can attack you again

I said it before and I'll say it again, stop bombing Gaza and go after every last Hamas leader no matter where their hiding, warn every country that harbors them this is happening, so turn them in or keep a distance.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

In the article the Hamas idea of negotiations is for the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces and the release of a large number of Palestinian prisoners, including high-profile militants in exchange for what's left of the hostages.

In other words lets us revamp so we can attack you again

I said it before and I'll say it again, stop bombing Gaza and go after every last Hamas leader no matter where their hiding, warn every country that harbors them this is happening, so turn them in or keep a distance.

I think your last paragraph would have broad based support. The attacks on Hamas leadership in Iran and Syria were much more surgical and done to limit collateral damage.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think your last paragraph would have broad based support. The attacks on Hamas leadership in Iran and Syria were much more surgical and done to limit collateral damage.

You would have to add Qatar to the list of targets as well, and possibly other countries in the region. It would really increase the risk of escalation into a larger regional war. Not to mention countries outside of the region, like South Africa which frequently hosts Hamas terrorists.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You would have to add Qatar to the list of targets as well, and possibly other countries in the region. It would really increase the risk of escalation into a larger regional war. Not to mention countries outside of the region, like South Africa which frequently hosts Hamas terrorists.

Maybe the world needs to learn a lesson, you harbor terrorists you pay the price, any country willing to go to war over terrorists deserves to be slapped hard.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You would have to add Qatar to the list of targets as well, and possibly other countries in the region. It would really increase the risk of escalation into a larger regional war. Not to mention countries outside of the region, like South Africa which frequently hosts Hamas terrorists.

India assassinated someone in Canada. As long as you limit collateral damage the likelihood of escalation is low. You blow up a school of children doing it you probably start a war.

I don think any of these countries ruling class want a war. Too much damage

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Maybe the world needs to learn a lesson, you harbor terrorists you pay the price, any country willing to go to war over terrorists deserves to be slapped hard.

With that logic israel is fair game.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

With that logic israel is fair game.

That is the way other countries treat Israel

[Bagor]

The Times of Israel with a very appropriate headline for Netanyahu.

. ‘Mr. Death’: Hostage families say Netanyahu has condemned their loved ones to die

Several family members of hostages held by Hamas accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday of knowingly condemning the hostages to death, after reports indicated the premier is prioritizing keep forces on the Philadelphi Corridor between Gaza and Egypt over bringing back Israel’s captives.

In a statement outside IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv, relatives said, “Netanyahu and his partners in the cabinet decided to torpedo the [hostage-ceasefire] deal due to the Philadelphi spin, and as such are knowingly condemning the hostages to death.”

Einav Zangauker, mother of Hamas hostage Matan Zangauker, said Netanyahu’s actions are “a crime against the people, against the State of Israel and against Zionism. Netanyahu is not Mr. Security, he is Mr. Death. He is undermining the deal in cold blood.”

The statements came after Netanyahu reportedly told ministers that he views keeping an Israeli presence in the Corridor as taking precedence over saving the hostages held by Hamas.

The security cabinet voted Thursday to back Netanyahu’s position in favor of maintaining Israeli military presence along the border as part of any potential deal, with Defense Minister Yoav Gallant being the sole objector.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mr-dea...d-ones-to-die/

Mr Death in his own country. A war criminal and perpetrator of genocide outside of it.
All worthy of multiple standing ovations at the US Congress.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bagor

That's exactly what it is and that's what exactly you have done on multiple occasions in this thread shamelessly to defend the slaughter of innocents and slid on when asked to back up your lies.

blankall on Al Shifa hospital.


https://www.google.com/search?client...&bih=667&dpr=3

WHO on Al Shifa hospital. The hospital is non operational. There's a mass grave in the grounds. It is a death zone.

Repeating this because it was such a shameless whopper.


WHO according to blankall. Just randomly closing hospitals for no reason whatsoever when they're needed most.

Firstly, your confusing two incidents purposely. There was the initial raid, and the hospital remined operational afterwards. Then they allowed hundreds of fighters back into the hospital and there was a second raid. The second raid saw far more fighting as there were far more militants in the hospital.

Even then the kidney dialysis is working and restoration is beginning, with major repairs underway:

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news...have-lost-all/

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-807203

The hospitals weren't randomly closed for no reason. They were closed after a battle in which hundreds of militants were operating out of the hospital.

It's also likely that hostages were killed with Al Shifa Hospital.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“Made up facts” you just suggested I was justifying Hamas while I just quoted the post I made on the topic showing I acknowledged the treatment as “terrible” and suggested the murder he witnessed was worse than surgery.

So, either you’d like to apologise, or you think the surgery is actually worse than murder and you don’t think his treatment was terrible. I’m guessing at this point, based on your history, defending murder is actually preferable than issuing an apology, so I won’t expect much.

And you absolutely did justify that bombing. You were demanding WCK explain themselves after reporters clarified what happened and even the IDF admitted it was entirely their doing lol.

Looks like you got busted making things up… again… twice lol. It’s so weird watching you twist around to justify some things and condemn others. I thought people paid you to do this kind of stuff? And this is the quality they get? Claps for murder, makes up conspiracy theories for charity bombings, but a surgery without anesthesia? Well that’s just too far.

I did think you were better than suggesting people were defending Hamas, though. It’s kind of fascinating watching people who can no longer intelligently support genocide choose to just debase themselves instead of questioning what they continue to support.

Great....so if you qualify something as "terrible" that makes everything you say afterwards alright....The I have a black friend argument.

You've literally just defended Hamas. Stating it was okay to deny anesthetic to a hostage during surgery. Then you made up some story about Anesthetic shortages. You have no idea what the Anesthetic stock was like, and, as I state, the surgery occurred prior to Israel's ground assault. So the shortage doesn't even makes sense.

And I do think allowing a militant to fire a weapon from an aid vehicle is a major issue.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

Firstly, your confusing two incidents purposely. There was the initial raid, and the hospital remined operational afterwards. Then they allowed hundreds of fighters back into the hospital and there was a second raid. The second raid saw far more fighting as there were far more militants in the hospital.

Even then the kidney dialysis is working and restoration is beginning, with major repairs underway:

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news...have-lost-all/

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-807203

The hospitals weren't randomly closed for no reason. They were closed after a battle in which hundreds of militants were operating out of the hospital.

It's also likely that hostages were killed with Al Shifa Hospital.

Good lord man how can you even type straight while doing all that spinning?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good lord man how can you even type straight while doing all that spinning?

Here the thing....there's no spinning going on.

I'm literally stating facts. You guys are parroting what Hamas stated, at best...or worse making up facts. As with the Anesthesia thing.

If you exaggerate everything that Israel does while failing to acknowledge what Hamas does, you get this warped view of the conflict.

This is pretty indicative of the behaviour in here. I provide actual facts and links. I'm met with.....but they had no anesthetic. lol.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Great....so if you qualify something as "terrible" that makes everything you say afterwards alright....The I have a black friend argument.

You've literally just defended Hamas. Stating it was okay to deny anesthetic to a hostage during surgery. Then you made up some story about Anesthetic shortages. You have no idea what the Anesthetic stock was like, and, as I state, the surgery occurred prior to Israel's ground assault. So the shortage doesn't even makes sense.

And I do think allowing a militant to fire a weapon from an aid vehicle is a major issue.

Sorry, calling terrible treatment “terrible” and saying murder is a bigger issue than surgery is “the black friend argument”? You obviously don’t even know what that “argument” is.

I also did none of the above. I never said it was “okay,” I called it terrible and said Hamas deserved no credit. I made up no story, just questioned why surgery was a bigger deal than murder based on the information provided.

For a guy who pretends to provide “facts” you have no problem lying about what’s happening. You can’t even stop yourself from lying about other posters. Unless you actually think saying Hamas treated a hostage terribly, that they deserved no credit, and saying the fact that they murdered someone should be a big issue is “justifying Hamas.”

You’re unwell.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, calling terrible treatment “terrible” and saying murder is a bigger issue than surgery is “the black friend argument”? You obviously don’t even know what that “argument” is.

I also did none of the above. I never said it was “okay,” I called it terrible and said Hamas deserved no credit. I made up no story, just questioned why surgery was a bigger deal than murder based on the information provided.

For a guy who pretends to provide “facts” you have no problem lying about what’s happening. You can’t even stop yourself from lying about other posters. Unless you actually think saying Hamas treated a hostage terribly, that they deserved no credit, and saying the fact that they murdered someone should be a big issue is “justifying Hamas.”

You’re unwell.

That's terrible. But no anesthetic. That was the reason for Hamas providing surgery without anesthetic. I have no idea if that is true or not or no way to back that up, but I'm going to make something up to justify Hamas' torture....just terrible.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Why wouldn't they have anesthesia at the start of the war? Oh... Wait, because the hostage was in a tunnel and being denied medical treatment.

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Let's not discuss actual facts here though, we'll just use the made up facts about anesthesia shortage at the beginning of the war... Which makes no sense.

Since blankall loves “facts” and “links” so much:

Mohammad Abu Selmeyah, the director of Al Shifa Hospital, said that when very large numbers of injured people have been brought in at the same time, there has been no choice but to deal with them on the floor, without adequate pain relief.

He gave as an example the immediate aftermath of an explosion at the Al Ahli Arab Hospital on Oct. 17, when he said some 250 injured people arrived at Al Shifa, which has only 12 operating theatres.

“If we had waited to operate on them one by one, we would have lost many of the wounded," said Abu Selmeyah.

"We were forced to operate on the ground and without anaesthesia, or using simple anaesthesia or weak pain killers to save lives," he said.

Procedures that have been performed by staff at Al Shifa under such circumstances have included amputating limbs and fingers, stitching up serious wounds, and treating serious burns, said Abu Selmeyah, without elaborating.

It is painful for the medical team. It is not simple. It is either the patient suffers pain or loses his life," he said.

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At Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, in the south of the Gaza Strip, director Dr Mohammad Zaqout said there had been a period early on in the war when anaesthetic supplies ran out completely, until aid trucks were allowed in.
"Some procedures were carried out without anaesthesia, including Caesarian sections on women, and we were also forced to operate on some burns that way too," said Zaqout.

He said that staff did their best to alleviate patients' pain with other, weaker medications, but this was inadequate.

"This is not the ideal solution for a patient inside an operating theatre, who we want to operate on with full anaesthesia," he said.

For the first 12 days of the war, no aid was allowed into Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...rs-2023-11-10/

Actual hospitals experiencing a shortage of anaesthesia at the start of the war, but a terrorist group not having access to anaesthesia at the start of a war is impossible! Unthinkable! It doesn’t make sense!

Never mind that saying, you know, murder is worse than surgery without anaesthetic or that the terrorist group treated the hostage terribly. That’s just the “black friend argument” lol.

Funny that blankall can’t provide any links or facts to back up his own made-up narrative.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's terrible. But no anesthetic. That was the reason for Hamas providing surgery without anesthetic. I have no idea if that is true or not or no way to back that up, but I'm going to make something up to justify Hamas' torture....just terrible.

Guess the hospitals were just torturing patients for fun over the first week of the war, huh?

You should be embarrassed.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Since blankall loves “facts” and “links” so much:



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...rs-2023-11-10/

Actual hospitals experiencing a shortage of anaesthesia at the start of the war, but a terrorist group not having access to anaesthesia at the start of a war is impossible! Unthinkable! It doesn’t make sense!

Never mind that saying, you know, murder is worse than surgery without anaesthetic or that the terrorist group treated the hostage terribly. That’s just the “black friend argument” lol.

Funny that blankall can’t provide any links or facts to back up his own made-up narrative.

But what does this have to do with anesthesia levels on October 7, when he was captured, after being shot following a refusal to provide information on further potential victims? Do you admit you have no knowledge of those issues?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

But what does this have to do with anesthesia levels on October 7, when he was captured, after being shot following a refusal to provide information on further potential victims? Do you admit you have no knowledge of those issues?

When did the surgery occur?

Do you admit you had no knowledge of anaesthesia shortages at the start of the war?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

When did the surgery occur?

Do you admit you had no knowledge of anaesthesia shortages at the start of the war?

The surgery either occurred soon after the injury on Oct 7, or, even worse yet, they didn't perform surgery on a gun wound until much later. That's a far worse act.

Can we not acknowledge that's wrong, without making up facts in an attempt to shift blame?