[Signing] Oilers extend F Leon Draisaitl (8x$14M AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

McDavid
Draisaitl
RNH
Arvidsson
Hyman
Henrique
Janmark
J. Skinner
E. Kane

Bouchard
Ekholm
Nurse
Kulak

S. Skinner

are all signed for the next couple of years.

What are you even saying? That's probably the betting favorite for Stanley Cup. They got way better than last year with the addition of Arvidsson and J. Skinner.

Hate them all you want. Not having a decent team is not one of them.

lol J Skinner is signed for one year and they are currently over the cap let alone with Drai's 5.5M raise not to mention Bouchards raise
"way better" like you can't be serious

Oldest team in the NHL with no prospects

The next few years will be glorious with the Oilers window slamming shut

[Fighting Banana Slug]

This doesn't even need to age particularly bad (but as all long term contracts for 30 year olds, it will age badly). He will be right near the top of the AAV for most, if not all of this contract. McDavid will pass him, perhaps Matthews on his next deal, maybe Bedard, but that is about it. He needs to be top 5 in the world for the next 8 years (after this one) to live up to this deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

McDavid
Draisaitl
RNH
Arvidsson
Hyman
Henrique
Janmark
J. Skinner
E. Kane

Bouchard
Ekholm
Nurse
Kulak

S. Skinner

are all signed for the next couple of years.

J. Skinner and Bouchard are signed for only this year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I wonder if there would be a possibility to trade Draisaitl in the next two years. He has a NMC, so it couldn't happen without his consent, and that would also likely reduce the value of any return.

The CBA is up in 2 years. Since the first lockout that came with a 39M, the 2nd time saw a reduction in HRR% for players and a cap rollback, and the last CBA extension came with a cap freeze.

Even leagues more flush with cash have had lockouts and owners come after the cap.

We can't just assume the cap is going to keep rising either.

They could very well be stuck with 4 players eating more than 50% of their cap.

That is why I am loving Conroy only doing 1-2 year deals.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol J Skinner is signed for one year and they are currently over the cap let alone with Drai's 5.5M raise
"way better" like you can't be serious

The next few years will be glorious with the Oilers window slamming shut

Ok Skinner is for this year only but that's just one player on the list. The large majority of their team that made the cup last year has another 2 cracks at it.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

J. Skinner and Bouchard are signed for only this year.

Bouchard will get extended.

My general point isnt that they have one more shot at it. They have atleast the next 2 years with largely the same roster as the one last year.

Just because they weren't good enough to win Game 7 last year doesn't automatically mean they won't be good enough next 2 years. It's not a linear equation.

They haven't gotten worse. At worst- they are equal to last year for ATLEAST the next 2 years.

Announcing an extension prior to camp opening was best case scenario. Now there is no hope for a divided locker room, media circus etc to derail their season with Draisaitl eventually leaving. Today isn't a "win" by any means for Flames fans.

BUT after the next 2 years- your points are valid/fair game.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

McDavid
Draisaitl
RNH
Arvidsson
Hyman
Henrique
Janmark
J. Skinner
E. Kane

Bouchard
Ekholm
Nurse
Kulak

S. Skinner

are all signed for the next couple of years.

What are you even saying? That's probably the betting favorite for Stanley Cup. They got way better than last year with the addition of Arvidsson and J. Skinner.

Hate them all you want. Not having a decent team is not one of them.

Looks like a clown got separated from the circus and needs directions back.

J. Skinner is a career bad luck charm and Arvidsson is made of glass.

Free agents never bolster a team the way you think they will. It's not like they're cutting into the glitter twins share of ice time either.

The neglect of the back end continues as well.

Oldest team, less than no cap flexibility, 21 man roster and no prospects outside of savoie.

Wind blows the wrong way and the wheels will be coming off.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Ok Skinner is for this year only but that's just one player on the list. The large majority of their team that made the cup last year has another 2 cracks at it.




Bouchard will get extended.

My general point isnt that they have one more shot at it. They have atleast the next 2 years with largely the same roster as the one last year.

Just because they weren't good enough to win Game 7 last year doesn't automatically mean they won't be good enough next 2 years. It's not a linear equation.

They haven't gotten worse. At worst- they are equal to last year for ATLEAST the next 2 years.

Announcing an extension prior to camp opening was best case scenario. Now there is no hope for a divided locker room, media circus etc to derail their season with Draisaitl eventually leaving. Today isn't a "win" by any means for Flames fans.

Bouchard is getting a massive raise, the team you listed won't be together under the cap. He won't just "get extended" it will cost somebody off the list.

And I strongly disagree with your take they are at least as good as last year for the next two seasons. They have taken a major hit on team D and will need to scramble to get under the cap for next season. This coming season is their best shot and only shot IMO...they are the Hawks after Kane and Toews got their new deals.

Beauty thing is its happening no matter what anyone says...Oilers will have to cut depth and we have seen them with prime McDrai and no depth.

Massive Drai contract was the second best thing for Flames fans, I'll take it

UFA walk would be best

Trade or discount would be worst

[Paulie Walnuts]

They also had to go on a historic win streak to even make the playoffs, and another 8 game win streak.

Does anyone see this team winning 16 in a row and 8 in a row. That accounted for 24 wins.

It's a copy cat league, a lot of teams will play like the Panthers next year. It's not a style the Oilers can deal with, Bob turned into a pumpkin for 3 games and almost cost us.

[SemicolonD]

I don't think the Oilers are garbage but I definitely don't think they got any better defensively. And THAT of all things is what carried them to Game 7 last season. They rode a historical PK and once in a lifetime defensive performances and buy in from all their plugs. On top of that, so many things had to go right for them to actually get to the final as well. Drai was a no show and the plugs were giving amazing depth scoring too.

Winning the cup takes a lot of luck as well as merit, and the Oilers exhausted most of it last year.

They're not built for success when these 30 year olds will be relied on for 30 minute nights deep into playoff runs. They're human at the end of the day.

By all logic they won't win a cup with the cap situation they're in.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Looks like a clown got separated from the circus and needs directions back.

J. Skinner is a career bad luck charm and Arvidsson is made of glass.

Free agents never bolster a team the way you think they will. It's not like they're cutting into the glitter twins share of ice time either.

The neglect of the back end continues as well.

Oldest team, less than no cap flexibility, 21 man roster and no prospects outside of savoie.

No need to take personal attacks.

Skinner is a year removed from putting up 82 points in BUF.

McDavid and Draisaitl turned Hyman into a point per game player. Let's not be delusional that they couldn't do that to Skinner as well.

Arvidsson was brought up in the Nashville system and played for LA. He's a very solid 200 foot player. Praying that he gets injured because he's "made of glass" isn't a legitimate argument.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think this is great all around. Edmonton gets Drai to retire in an oilers jersey; that is a huge win for the fans and franchise that love him. Small market teams in Canada see that they can keep elite, non-Canadian talent.

For Calgary fans, he didn't take a home town discount and his new contract value is probably for a worse player than his old contract, so Edmonton becomes less competitive.

It's happy days all around.

So....getting Drai to retire in a Greaser jersey is their...Stanley Cup?


Wow. That's .... a take.


For that kind of money a blind monkey would say yes.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

No need to take personal attacks.

Skinner is a year removed from putting up 82 points in BUF.

McDavid and Draisaitl turned Hyman into a point per game player. Let's not be delusional that they couldn't do that to Skinner as well.

Arvidsson was brought up in the Nashville system and played for LA. He's a very solid 200 foot player. Praying that he gets injured because he's "made of glass" isn't a legitimate argument.

lol so where does Hyman play...guy you are the one who came in with falsehoods

That roster you posted isn't playing for the Oilers for multiple years they need to make substantial cuts. If Skinner is getting the McPP time then who isn't? Guys like Fogele and Cici were massive parts of their historic PK

Anyway we don't have to argue, its happening...I agree this year is their best shot, cup is still unlikely. Starting next year there is a rapid drop off in depth.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This coming season is their best shot and only shot IMO.

I would say last year was their best shot. Sure, they might have another crack at it this coming season if everything falls into place and the seas part for them just like they did last year, but I just don't see that happening.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

My general point isnt that they have one more shot at it. They have atleast the next 2 years with largely the same roster as the one last year...

I think that is very highly debatable. At the start of the 2025 playoffs, the Oilers forwards will be an average of 32 years old, and their defence, 29.4 years old. The team as a whole will be 30.95 avg. years old.

When was the last time a team this old won the Stanley Cup? Next year, they will be another full year older.

Just because they weren't good enough to win Game 7 last year doesn't automatically mean they won't be good enough next 2 years. It's not a linear equation.

Exactly. It is NOT a linear equation because with each passing year, it becomes more and more difficult for a team comprised of older players to win. The Oilers are the oldest team in the NHL, and they are coming off of a short off-season. The physical toll piles up and gets increasingly harder to handle.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I would say last year was their best shot. Sure, they might have another crack at it this coming season if everything falls into place and the seas part for them just like they did last year, but I just don't see that happening.

thats fair, how likely is it the oldest team in the NHL gets through with basically zero injuries?

Also, healthy Demko and they are done in round 2

[GGG]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The bonus doesn't help the AAV. But they didn't really have a Plan B here.

Front loading it as much as possible gives the player more money which reduces they AAV relative to the players NPV of the contract so it helps but is more or less standard practice now.

[DinnerDog]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

No need to take personal attacks.

Skinner is a year removed from putting up 82 points in BUF.

McDavid and Draisaitl turned Hyman into a point per game player. Let's not be delusional that they couldn't do that to Skinner as well.

Arvidsson was brought up in the Nashville system and played for LA. He's a very solid 200 foot player. Praying that he gets injured because he's "made of glass" isn't a legitimate argument.

I mean sure, but I highly doubt both Hyman and Skinner will be PPG players, given only one of them can play with McD and Drai. Somethings gotta give. I don't think they're just adding Skinner's / Arvidsson's production without any decline elsewhere on the roster, there's only so many points to go around imo.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

With how often they play together (because they bleed early goals against), how is every one playing with/being elevated by them? That's one slot and it's already Hyman's.

Oiler goofs don't appear to understand how TOI and lines work. It's a pie that gets divided and two players already claim most of it. These guys won't get the ice time and positions where they put up those points.

They're also on the decline. Again. free agent signings don't work that way where you're "an x player better!" -
they replace someone, are a year older and used in a spot that's less prominent for the most part. The output doesn't end up being the same where it seamlessly transfers to your team.

For hockey being the only thing ever going on up there, ya'll aren't very bright. Too much oiler propaganda consumption.

[dino7c]

Fogele had 41 points last year and was a top PKer
Skinner had 46 and is terrible in his own end

I don't think that's a win...Skinner could put up points in Edmonton but it would be at the expense of someone else. Not in a 3rd line role like Fogele.

They also have no cap nor NHL ready prospects to cover any injury issues

next year they will need to make substantial cuts to this seasons roster so they better be good this year or the next 8 look really bad (mediocre which is even worse)

[Robbob]

Draisaitl obviously would be dumb not to take the money. If he went to FA he would have to be offered 16M a season over 7 years. That would also include the risk of potential injury that could kybosh a lot of that. As he said, he is doing what is best for him. I still think McDavid isn't a sure thing, even with this signing. That path to Toronto is there, so I can see him being conflicted in one years time. At the end of the Day, Draisaitl can always ask for a trade if McDavid leaves as he is always looking out for number 1.