[Deal] Tesla offering 1.99% financing on a brand new Model Y

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I actually don’t get Elon (being serious). On one hand the Dems have shown way more backbone to reign in AI, which Big Tech hates. See Zucks latest. Silicon Valley loves Trump because he could care less about regulations.

Here I thought Elon was scared of AI. Yet he bought twitter to suck up to him? Its all just bizarre. I think I need someone smarter than me to explain the gymnastics he is doing. Or maybe he’s just crazy.

It's not complicated. He's a narcissist who wants praise and attention all day every day, and he has too much capital to be ignored.

[butterfly]

I don't care what Tesla "model" it is, if you can't open the door without breaking your nail it's an incredibly stupid design.

This company will not be around long.

[Ozy_Flame]

I see Tesla as the company that kick started the EV transition. Elon notwithstanding, that's a great thing to be, especially for the history books.

But the whole point of being a disruptor is that everyone follows behind. And there's much, much better options out there, including PHEVs and BEVs.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't care what Tesla "model" it is, if you can't open the door without breaking your nail it's an incredibly stupid design.

This company will not be around long.

I'm no Tesla fan, but they're going to be around for a very long time. Hopefully they punt Musk and move on to being serious, but there's way too many dollars invested and way too much momentum for them to disappear

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I actually don’t get Elon (being serious). On one hand the Dems have shown way more backbone to reign in AI, which Big Tech hates. See Zucks latest. Silicon Valley loves Trump because he could care less about regulations.

Here I thought Elon was scared of AI. Yet he bought twitter to suck up to him? Its all just bizarre. I think I need someone smarter than me to explain the gymnastics he is doing. Or maybe he’s just crazy.

Imagine this:

You grow up privileged in South Africa and are genuinely smart. You have some trouble connecting with people, but you're insightful, persistent, and ambitious and that brings you friends. You immigrate to Canada because of your sense of adventure, and soon end up at Stanford only to quit 2 days in because you've got a great dot com business idea. You get fabulously wealthy selling a city guide website, then help create an online payment system and sell for even more money.

Now you've got money and some ego, so you decide you're going to beat NASA at the space game so you found a space company and things look very promising very quickly. Your ego says you alone need to solve climate change so 2 years later you invest in and take over an electric vehicle start up. Things go extremely well fairly quickly (with some bumpy parts)

Keep in mind, all this while legions of people are more feeding your ego helping you believe you really are the saviour the world needs. You're fabulously wealthy but you deserve it because literally every idea you have is not just gold, but platinum. If a flash of an idea comes into your head? It's brilliant.

Now, you're getting a bit older and the ideas aren't coming as easy so why not dabble in things that "help" these ideas come. Now you've got great ideas that just need a little more faith. Some people start to doubt you, and worse yet, some people on one end of the political spectrum think you don't deserve all this money and that you're not a saviour.


All it takes is some ketamine and adulation from a right wing army and boom, you've taken the "red pill"

[Paulie Walnuts]

Seems like this was started to show off that they have a Tesla like it’s something to be proud about.

Teslas are a piece of junk and it’s even worse when someone has a custom plate.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That's your opinion. If it were such a big deal and customers complained about it, I'm sure Tesla would have made changes for a traditional instrumentation console. But with 4 million units sold globally it must not be that big a deal. It must also have a lot in the auto industry taking note since the center console with tablet-like displays has become pretty much a standard for interiors. Like it or not but Tesla has driven innovation other car manufacturers have had to chase. Dunk of Musk being a ######bag, but he changed the industry and has a massively popular product that people like.

Ergonomics is not preference. Whether people care about bad ergonomics is preference.

So something can be objectively worse (in terms of moving the site lines of the driver to a less optimal position) and not a big deal to the public or sales.

Like large A-pillers don’t affect vehicle sales. They do create blind spots that lead to accidents.

Same with the controls being on a touch screen. We’ve made it less tactile and worse yet people thing a giant screen is cool.

You seem to be confusing popular and good and not a feature that influences buying so can be cut to save money and good. Whether Teslas are popular and successful is independent of whether or not a particular feature is better.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

If it were such a big deal and customers complained about it, I'm sure Tesla would have made changes for a traditional instrumentation console. But with 4 million units sold globally it must not be that big a deal. It must also have a lot in the auto industry taking note since the center console with tablet-like displays has become pretty much a standard for interiors.

Literally no one is copying deletion of the gauge cluster, and there is a reason there is a multitude of aftermarket options to address this for Model Ys.

As GGG said, the ergonomics here are not subjective.

[Winsor_Pilates]

This thread inspired me to get an EV today.
0% lease rate, not Tesla.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

This thread inspired me to get an EV today.
0% lease rate, not Tesla.

Which EV maker is offering 0% lease?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I missed that he used celebrities being gifted the piece of #### cybertuck as reason why it isn’t a piece of ####.

Homer Simpson would design a better truck.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Which EV maker is offering 0% lease?

0.99% BMW but I had a buy down to 0% as I was swapping an existing lease in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

0.99% BMW but I had a buy down to 0% as I was swapping an existing lease in.

We will need a list of celebrities who own the same vehicle as you.

[Acey]

My beef with Tesla has nothing to do with Elon, though he is scum.

Model X and Model Y and obviously the truck are the absolute ugliest vehicles on the road, bar none. I'd roll it off a cliff if given one for free.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I actually don’t get Elon (being serious). On one hand the Dems have shown way more backbone to reign in AI, which Big Tech hates. See Zucks latest. Silicon Valley loves Trump because he could care less about regulations.

Here I thought Elon was scared of AI. Yet he bought twitter to suck up to him? Its all just bizarre. I think I need someone smarter than me to explain the gymnastics he is doing. Or maybe he’s just crazy.

He wants to die with the most money possible

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That's your opinion. If it were such a big deal and customers complained about it, I'm sure Tesla would have made changes for a traditional instrumentation console. But with 4 million units sold globally it must not be that big a deal. It must also have a lot in the auto industry taking note since the center console with tablet-like displays has become pretty much a standard for interiors. Like it or not but Tesla has driven innovation other car manufacturers have had to chase. Dunk of Musk being a ######bag, but he changed the industry and has a massively popular product that people like.

This is one of those few topics that I feel actually qualified to speak on instead of just providing an opinion. My previous job was in the road safety industry for 5 years, specifically distracted driving. It's near unanimous among experts in the field that the Tesla tablet displays increase distractions and have/will lead to more crashes.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

BEV are becoming giant paperweights. Next to no resale as you don't know how bad the battery is trashed (I won't believe their "battery Life" rating) and Hertz has flooded the market with uses BEV as they wanted out of the market.

Dude what are you even talking about? Most EVs have batteries that will far outlast the useful life of the vehicle. My 6 year old car still has 90-95% of the original range after more than 120,000 km.


I won't argue that they lose value quickly but I would not hesitate to buy another second hand EV in the right circumstances.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah. They suck. Complete junk. They've sold something like 2 million of them... the Lada sold 20 million units; does that make it a good car? Really stupid argument..

We will not be slandering the Lada here young man.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Literally no one is copying deletion of the gauge cluster, and there is a reason there is a multitude of aftermarket options to address this for Model Ys.

As GGG said, the ergonomics here are not subjective.

Ergonomics are completely subjective. It is literally the study of usability and design to improve function and productivity, which varies from individual to individual. I had to do an industrial psychology track in school, which included cognitive ergonomics (primary focus of the track), and the whole intent was to understand how to build UIs that could be tailored to individuals while maintaining consistency in basic function. These consistencies became norms you had to design to but allow for flexibility to improve experience and functionality for the individual. In automobiles the gauge cluster is a norm that was adopted over time because it works for the majority of people, but even then, it came with some limitations. The steering wheel routinely blocked out the instrumentation cluster for certain drivers, which led to the innovation and introduction of the telescoping and tilt-adjustable steering column. The other option was to move that cluster out of that location, which has been done on various vehicles over the years, but added cost.

The gauge cluster has evolved over time and will continue to evolve. Using the whole dash as a modifiable display will greatly change how information and information is made available in new vehicle. Frankly, from the ergonomics point of view, the best piece of technology I ever had in a vehicle to eliminate distraction and improve my usability of the vehicle was the heads-up display, but that was a costly option that a lot of people didn't like or work for them for a number of reasons.

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is one of those few topics that I feel actually qualified to speak on instead of just providing an opinion. My previous job was in the road safety industry for 5 years, specifically distracted driving. It's near unanimous among experts in the field that the Tesla tablet displays increase distractions and have/will lead to more crashes.

I'm not denying any of the distraction aspects. I'm just not buying the ergonomics being concrete argument. Looking away from the road in any direction is a distraction and dangerous. The Tesla center console just didn't work for me, and was a distraction to me, because of the way I had been trained to drive. It is the one reason I refused to buy a Tesla (before Musk lost his mind). I just wasn't willing to give myself the time to adapt to the change in location of that information source. Other drivers clearly have. Buttons, dials, and controls vary from vehicle-to-vehicle and that isn't going to change. It is part of how manufacturers differentiate themselves in the marketplace and will continue to move in that direction.

The ergonomics of vehicles will also continue to change as technology evolves, but manufacturers are becoming less concerned about distractions as they continue to jam more and more active technologies which allow for distraction while the vehicle is being driven. Even that classic instrumentation cluster is rapidly changing and becoming modifiable so you can put anything you want in that location. But the amount of dash real estate being leveraged is rapidly changing. I think we can probably agree that the following provide way too many opportunities for distraction rather than improvements in safety. AT the same time, they will also provide opportunities for people to tailor their driving experience and adapt their care to their personal needs.

NSFW!

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Ergonomics are completely subjective. It is literally the study of usability and design to improve function and productivity, which varies from individual to individual. I had to do an industrial psychology track in school, which included cognitive ergonomics (primary focus of the track), and the whole intent was to understand how to build UIs that could be tailored to individuals while maintaining consistency in basic function. These consistencies became norms you had to design to but allow for flexibility to improve experience and functionality for the individual. In automobiles the gauge cluster is a norm that was adopted over time because it works for the majority of people, but even then, it came with some limitations. The steering wheel routinely blocked out the instrumentation cluster for certain drivers, which led to the innovation and introduction of the telescoping and tilt-adjustable steering column. The other option was to move that cluster out of that location, which has been done on various vehicles over the years, but added cost.

The gauge cluster has evolved over time and will continue to evolve. Using the whole dash as a modifiable display will greatly change how information and information is made available in new vehicle. Frankly, from the ergonomics point of view, the best piece of technology I ever had in a vehicle to eliminate distraction and improve my usability of the vehicle was the heads-up display, but that was a costly option that a lot of people didn't like or work for them for a number of reasons.



I'm not denying any of the distraction aspects. I'm just not buying the ergonomics being concrete argument. Looking away from the road in any direction is a distraction and dangerous. The Tesla center console just didn't work for me, and was a distraction to me, because of the way I had been trained to drive. It is the one reason I refused to buy a Tesla (before Musk lost his mind). I just wasn't willing to give myself the time to adapt to the change in location of that information source. Other drivers clearly have. Buttons, dials, and controls vary from vehicle-to-vehicle and that isn't going to change. It is part of how manufacturers differentiate themselves in the marketplace and will continue to move in that direction.

The ergonomics of vehicles will also continue to change as technology evolves, but manufacturers are becoming less concerned about distractions as they continue to jam more and more active technologies which allow for distraction while the vehicle is being driven. Even that classic instrumentation cluster is rapidly changing and becoming modifiable so you can put anything you want in that location. But the amount of dash real estate being leveraged is rapidly changing. I think we can probably agree that the following provide way too many opportunities for distraction rather than improvements in safety. AT the same time, they will also provide opportunities for people to tailor their driving experience and adapt their care to their personal needs.

NSFW!

Still waiting on my heads up display.

You know, like every aviation video game since 1990... speed, fuel, other "targets" in my way. So much easier to absorb information.

EDIT - Oh. Luxury cars have them now. Guess I just need to be spending more.

EDIT 2 - I guess they've been around for 20 years. Guess I need more rich friends?

EDIT 3 - Tesla doesn't use them because Teslas were supposed to be self driving. Yeesh.