2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not sure you're going to find a better comparable in terms of what type of trade return you'd be hoping to get for Andersson.

Sergachev's 7 years of team control vs. 2 for Andersson make it not really a comparable asset IMO. Yes I agree his two years are a great deal better deal but you can't see him as a cornerstone to the franchise with only two years before he potentially exits.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Sergachev's 7 years of team control vs. 2 for Andersson make it not really a comparable asset IMO. Yes I agree his two years are a great deal better deal but you can't see him as a cornerstone to the franchise with only two years before he potentially exits.

And it’s likely more like 1.5 years if the trade happens closer to the trade deadline.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Sergachev's 7 years of team control vs. 2 for Andersson make it not really a comparable asset IMO. Yes I agree his two years are a great deal better deal but you can't see him as a cornerstone to the franchise with only two years before he potentially exits.

Tough to say.

I feel like if you offer Andersson $8.5M x 8 you're not going to have too much of an an issue re-signing him.

I think if Sergachev's deal was great value or a discount in the $6-7M range then I'd 100% agree but I feel like you'd be able to get 2 x $4.4M of Andersson and extend to 8 x $8.5M pretty easily.

Now for a team like Utah I think the 7 years of team control helped for sure, but a different team will probably be pretty confident they could re-sign him for $8.5M.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

CGY: Andersson + Pelletier for OTT: Pinto + Jacob Bernard Docker

At first glance the Flames are getting fleeced there.

[stemit14]

The Utah/Iginla idea is what I want the most but I recognize it’s very unlikely in an Andersson trade.

But, ultimately, I would love for Conroy to use any combination of the following assets to acquire a top prospect from a team this year:

Andersson (50% retained)
Coleman (50% retained)
Kuzmenko (50% retained)
Mantha (50% retained)
Colorado’s 2nd round pick (from the Mangiapane trade)

I honestly don’t know if any combination of those assets could return a top prospect. Doubtful under normal circumstances. My hope is a team that’s desperate to make the playoffs after being in a rebuild for years is in a position where they are fighting for a playoff spot so they overpay for a defenceman like Andersson along with some scoring depth at forward (Coleman/Mantha/Kuzmenko).

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tough to say.

I feel like if you offer Andersson $8.5M x 8 you're not going to have too much of an an issue re-signing him.

I think if Sergachev's deal was great value or a discount in the $6-7M range then I'd 100% agree but I feel like you'd be able to get 2 x $4.4M of Andersson and extend to 8 x $8.5M pretty easily.

Now for a team like Utah I think the 7 years of team control helped for sure, but a different team will probably be pretty confident they could re-sign him for $8.5M.

Yup. Ton of risks with trading for Sergachev, as the guy is coming off the injury and he really only had the one high production year.

Andersson has been pretty consistent for the last four years.

Andersson also would have a much larger potential market because of his tradable cap hit and with only two years remaining for a team to figure out if they can fit him in longer term with a rising cap. More teams means more bidding. Sergachev’s market would have been only a small handful of teams.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

At first glance the Flames are getting fleeced there.

Pinto is a 6'2 RHS Center that can probably put up 20g/season. He will be a RFA once his contract is done.

JBD is trying to figure things out at the NHL level but has upside. No different than Pelletier.

If we trade Ras, I hope we get a young center with top 6 potential in return.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Pinto is a 6'2 RHS Center that can probably put up 20g/season. He will be a RFA once his contract is done.

JBD is trying to figure things out at the NHL level but has upside. No different than Pelletier.

If we trade Ras, I hope we get a young center with top 6 potential in return.

Pinto is also turning 24 early in season and hasn’t scored more than 35pts in a season. Andersson had a down year with 39pts last year after seasons with 50 and 49pts while playing top pair minutes and situations.

I would rather shop Andersson 50% retained around the deadline to a team that wants him dirt cheap for 2 runs with the hopes of keeping him. I think the value would be significant assets either multiple picks like a 1st and 2 2nds or a very good prospect with tons of team control.

No interest in trading a 28 year old for a 24 year old this early in the rebuild. Futures need to be the focus

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tough to say.

I feel like if you offer Andersson $8.5M x 8 you're not going to have too much of an an issue re-signing him.

I think if Sergachev's deal was great value or a discount in the $6-7M range then I'd 100% agree but I feel like you'd be able to get 2 x $4.4M of Andersson and extend to 8 x $8.5M pretty easily.

Now for a team like Utah I think the 7 years of team control helped for sure, but a different team will probably be pretty confident they could re-sign him for $8.5M.

An average cost of $7.68M over ten years. Not bad.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by D as in David

An average cost of $7.68M over ten years. Not bad.

An 8-year deal for Ras also expires when he is 37 vs. Sergachev who has a contract that expires at 34. Ras next contract will not have many value years and that will be considered in his trade value.

Sergachev's trade value is much higher

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pinto is also turning 24 early in season and hasn’t scored more than 35pts in a season. Andersson had a down year with 39pts last year after seasons with 50 and 49pts while playing top pair minutes and situations.

I would rather shop Andersson 50% retained around the deadline to a team that wants him dirt cheap for 2 runs with the hopes of keeping him. I think the value would be significant assets either multiple picks like a 1st and 2 2nds or a very good prospect with tons of team control.

No interest in trading a 28 year old for a 24 year old this early in the rebuild. Futures need to be the focus

Pinto has played 1.5 seasons in the NHL, and has lots of room to grow. He's 23 turning 24. That's not old. For example Connor Zary will be 23 this year. Pinto will be in his prime 3-4 years from now.

The Flames also have some good draft capital in the next few years. And when they trade Kuzzy and Mantha they will acquire more.

[dammage79]

Norris may be a bit more of a gamble but he'd be a better option no?

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Norris may be a bit more of a gamble but he'd be a better option no?

If he wasn't always hurt I would say yes. Pinto or Greig (natural C) would be better fits IMO.

[Royle9]

Utah isn’t trading Iginla.
I’d love the storyline but they’ve essentially erected a statue for him already.
He’s the new poster boy down there.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Pinto has played 1.5 seasons in the NHL, and has lots of room to grow. He's 23 turning 24. That's not old. For example Connor Zary will be 23 this year. Pinto will be in his prime 3-4 years from now.

The Flames also have some good draft capital in the next few years. And when they trade Kuzzy and Mantha they will acquire more.

We will have to agree to disagree if the Flames trade Rasmus it would hopefully be at this deadline where he is having a great season and they elect to retain 50% of his cap hit. If Andersson is playing at a 50pt pace and they eat half his contract so a team can get him for 1.5 years I think the Flames get a better asset than Pinto in return. Flames could juice the return by also taking cap dumps back. Lindholm as a rental got an absolute haul and I expect Andersson with a year left on his deal can get a bigger return. With that said I am basing this on Andersson having a very good first 50 games of the season

[The Cobra]

I think Andersson's value is he has 2 relatively cheap years left.

Having to sign him for 8 years at $8.5M is the reason why Calgary is trading him in the first place.

I doubt the kind of teams that would trade for him won't be signing him long term for cap reasons.

But I don't think that really affects his trade value.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

CGY: Andersson + Pelletier for OTT: Pinto + Jacob Bernard Docker

No.

Get picks. Adding players now hurts the Flames own 1st round pick value. That’s the sort of stuff that makes us draft 6th rather than 1st or 2nd - and that’s the sort of thing that completely sewers the process of building a Championship quality team.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No.

Get picks. Adding players now hurts the Flames own 1st round pick value. That’s the sort of stuff that makes us draft 6th rather than 1st or 2nd - and that’s the sort of thing that completely sewers the process of building a Championship quality team.

Agreed. I’m happy to get top prospects who aren’t in the league yet and picks. But guys that are in their mid-20s that will need raises around the time the flames will start having to pay their top young talent will only complicate the cap structure of the final version of the team.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I know very little about Parssinen but that looks like a pretty good 7th-round selection by Nashville.

I'm his draft year, he was average in every way, and playing in Finland. D+1 he exploded, and I had to listen to a guy go on about how he suddenly had a second and third gear offensively. I looked at some tape and he looked very creative. D+2 was even better before he came over, and I picked him up in the CPHL.

Would love to have him on the flames and given a shot on the powerplay.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We don’t need a roster player. Picks and prospects. This is a rebuild.