Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Trudeau is a teacher, if he desperately needed a job, he'd be just fine. PP? Dunno, maybe he can work with Scheer in insurance? Or maybe just find a highway protest to setup a beggars booth at.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Trudeau is a teacher, if he desperately needed a job, he'd be just fine. PP? Dunno, maybe he can work with Scheer in insurance? Or maybe just find a highway protest to setup a beggars booth at.

LOL. doesn't have TrudeauTrustfund have like 10's of millions?

Blackface needs to step down.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

Are you denying the current climate emergency or just commenting that Canadas policies will have minimal difference?

100% of new car sales must be zero emission by 2035 because of a climate emergency. And we’re going to reach that target it without using the Chinese manufacturing sector. Apparently.

I'm not sure what part of the above is stupid. But 100% of it is true!

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GGG

Any good data on the rolls TFWs are taking?

I would expect Health Care, Construction and Ag/food processing are the bulk of the current TFWs.

The article claims about 65,000 would be reduced out 85,000. That seems really high.

There's 250,000 foreign workers added last year, of which, about 85,000 low wage stream and 100,000 in agriculture.

In total there are currently 2,800,000 non-canadian permit holders in Canada: 1.3m temporary workers, 1m temporary international students (where as many as half are attending dog #### institutions and are really just low wage workers working 25 hours per week), and 0.4m asylum seekers. That's up about 1m in two years...

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

There's 250,000 foreign workers added last year, of which, about 85,000 low wage stream and 100,000 in agriculture.

In total there are currently 2,800,000 non-canadian permit holders in Canada: 1.3m temporary workers, 1m temporary international students (where as many as half are attending dog #### institutions and are really just low wage workers working 25 hours per week), and 0.4m asylum seekers. That's up about 1m in two years...

The sheer numbers year after year are wild considering the situation with housing already.

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/media-ne...2023-from-2022

Nationally, actual 2023 housing starts were down 7% in centres of 10,000 population and over, with 223,513 units recorded, compared to 240,590 in 2022, according to Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC). This decline is primarily explained by a 25% decline in single-detached starts in 2023.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...t-would-grant/

Economists and policy experts are expressing growing concern over a potential new federal immigration program that would immediately grant permanent residency to temporary residents who are in low-wage jobs.

International students on postgraduate work permits who have been struggling to find permanent high-skilled work and temporary foreign workers occupying low-wage jobs stand to benefit the most from the program, if it comes into fruition, economists and policy experts say.

But they argue that it is a puzzling move for a country that has had, for decades, a points-based immigration system that prioritizes individuals with the highest earnings potential.

“The reality is that permanent resident slots are fixed. So every time you prioritize a TEER 4 or TEER 5 applicant, it means somebody else at a higher skill level is not going to be admitted,” said Mikal Skuterud, an economist at the University of Waterloo who has been an outspoken critic of Ottawa’s recent immigration policies, which have led to a large uptick in the number of temporary residents in the country.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by GGG

Any good data on the rolls TFWs are taking?

I would expect Health Care, Construction and Ag/food processing are the bulk of the current TFWs.

The article claims about 65,000 would be reduced out 85,000. That seems really high.

Some decent charts here including information by sector. They're interactive and I can't link them here I don't think.

Given the numbers and blanket approvals, can't imagine much checking is going on at all.

https://thehub.ca/2024/06/28/the-fed...nt-since-2015/



https://www.thestar.com/business/gov...e5d2241d2.html

Government officers told to skip fraud prevention steps when vetting temporary foreign worker applications, Star investigation finds

As the Trudeau government promises to crack down on a temporary foreign worker program it admits has been abused, a Star investigation has revealed the government is fast-tracking applications by directing processing officers to skip crucial steps designed to prevent fraud.

[Fuzz]

PP getting feisty.

"Canadians can't afford or even endure another year of this costly coalition. No one voted for you to keep Trudeau in power. You do not have a mandate to drag out his government another year," Poilievre wrote in his letter.

"Pull out of the costly coalition and vote non-confidence in the government this September to trigger a carbon tax election in October of THIS YEAR. Or you will forever be known as "Sell-Out Singh,'" Poilievre said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...307944?cmp=rss

Press conference at 8am.

Isn't making up lame nicknames a Trump thing? And does he still not understand how our system of government works? Singh has every right to keep doing what he is doing. It's like an angry tweet from a rage farm. I hope Singh had a good chuckle when he read it.

[Ben_in_Canada]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

PP getting feisty.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...307944?cmp=rss

Press conference at 8am.

Isn't making up lame nicknames a Trump thing? And does he still not understand how our system of government works? Singh has every right to keep doing what he is doing. It's like an angry tweet from a rage farm. I hope Singh had a good chuckle when he read it.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...cter-for-singh
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/n...shutdown-looms

Singh can't keep backing down and expect to be taken seriously though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...cter-for-singh
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/n...shutdown-looms

Singh can't keep backing down and expect to be taken seriously though.

He's still better off supporting the Liberals than 5 years of a Conservative majority.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's still better off supporting the Liberals than 5 years of a Conservative majority.

Or maybe the NDP put together a reasonable platform and try to pull more support to their party. Don’t know why that’s not an option.

[Fuzz]

Because Singh understands reality?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

PP getting feisty.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...307944?cmp=rss

Press conference at 8am.

Isn't making up lame nicknames a Trump thing? And does he still not understand how our system of government works? Singh has every right to keep doing what he is doing. It's like an angry tweet from a rage farm. I hope Singh had a good chuckle when he read it.

We can dislike Poilievre all we like, but his final statement there is accurate.

NDP Voters didn't know the NDP would be propping up a Liberal Minority. If they had wanted a Liberal Government they'd have just voted Liberal.

So that indeed is a bit of a 'bait and switch' and doesnt constitute much of a mandate.

Granted, at the moment I think we're living with 'the lesser evil.'

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Locke

We can dislike Poilievre all we like, but his final statement there is accurate.

NDP Voters didn't know the NDP would be propping up a Liberal Minority. If they had wanted a Liberal Government they'd have just voted Liberal.

So that indeed is a bit of a 'bait and switch' and doesnt constitute much of a mandate.

Granted, at the moment I think we're living with 'the lesser evil.'

I think Fuzz said it best, though.

We don't actually know the psych of NDP voters; however, Singh can argue a few things here:
- This is all in the NDP playbook. The third party that gets policies in place in exchange for support (from health care to dental care).
- Justin Trudeau is arguably one of the most left-wing Liberal party leaders in a long time. Sure, he isn't left "enough" for an NDP voter, but you take what you can get.
- Why in the hell would NDP voters want their party to non-confidence this government knowing PP and his ilk are almost guaranteed to win?

No NDP voter is going into next election blaming singh or the party for keeping PP zipped up

[Wormius]

Exactly. There is no better scenario for NDP voters, unless they magically were to form a majority, than what is in place right now. The time for Singh to pull the plug is when they aren’t getting anything they want from the LPC.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think Fuzz said it best, though.

We don't actually know the psych of NDP voters; however, Singh can argue a few things here:
- This is all in the NDP playbook. The third party that gets policies in place in exchange for support (from health care to dental care).
- Justin Trudeau is arguably one of the most left-wing Liberal party leaders in a long time. Sure, he isn't left "enough" for an NDP voter, but you take what you can get.
- Why in the hell would NDP voters want their party to non-confidence this government knowing PP and his ilk are almost guaranteed to win?

No NDP voter is going into next election blaming singh or the party for keeping PP zipped up

As an NDP voter I am quite content with how this has all gone down. It hasn't been great, the Liberal corruption has been on full display a few times too often - but I honestly don't see the CPC having less issues, the big two are always getting themselves in trouble.

Singh hasn't been the strongest leader, but has made the best of the situation. Jack Layton was one of a kind and his ability to get the NDP to official opposition was a once in a lifetime event for the third place party. I don't know any other NDP supporters who really believe that our party ever has a chance to actually form government. The support is too sparse for FPTP and not business friendly enough to get the financial support of the lobbyists like the big 2 do.

So being able to prop up the liberals and get some things even half-assed pushed through is a win. Slowing down the CPC is a win, but it will also always mean that come election time NDP voters will strategically vote.

The only way for the NDP to ever grow the party power is when Canada moves past FPTP, which the big 2 will never do (thanks again Justin). So being able to have some input is always better than nothing.

Hell, the quickest way to lose my vote would be to force an election right now that all but guarantees a CPC majority.

[Fuzz]

You can tell the NDP are doing the right thing for themselves when the only people criticizing it are Conservatives.

[Azure]

Well they might be doing the right thing 'now.'

But everything they've done up till now is pathetic, and they are a joke of a party.

Saying don't you dare to the Liberals only to then not actually do anything when they dare is laughable at this point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well they might be doing the right thing 'now.'

But everything they've done up till now is pathetic, and they are a joke of a party.

Saying don't you dare to the Liberals only to then not actually do anything when they dare is laughable at this point.

Unfortunately, I get what the NDP have done, but I also feel that over the longer-term its a bad move.

Sure, by propping up the Liberals as a jumped-up lap dog, they might get a half-assed 'something.'

Maybe.

But it also illustrates them as a joke, although post LEAP Manifesto I didn't need much more convincing.

But further, it also means that if, by some chance the CPC get a majority? Most of what the NDP may have gained will likely be repealed, the NDP get shown to be a complete joke and they will never work with the CPCs so they might as well fold-up and get real jobs.

Its a short-term 'maybe' with the distinct possibility of a long-term 'boot out the door.'

[Ozy_Flame]

NDP have been the smartest party in the federal room in the last few years. Third place finish, but passing party platform ideas and policies and dictating the pace of Canadian politics.

I mean, for the NDP, you couldn't ask for more success given their third-wheel status.

And who cares if they say things to the Libs and do another? This relationship isn't about optics, this is about getting ##### done and holding the damn wand.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well they might be doing the right thing 'now.'

But everything they've done up till now is pathetic, and they are a joke of a party.

Saying don't you dare to the Liberals only to then not actually do anything when they dare is laughable at this point.

It's pretty clear that they continue to do it because the other option is a likely Conservative majority, which is an even worse outcome for them