2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by jroc

Obviously all this Zary contract extension chatter is premature as there's a lot of 'ifs' about the output of the upcoming season... but, if he truly is that young 25G, 50P player, would Owen Tippet be a good comparable at $6.2 x 8 (I don't watch the Flyers much)???

https://capwages.com/players/owen-tippett

Tippett is a great contract. I suspect the Flyers will reap the rewards of a fairly good Farabee contract for the next 4 seasons at 5 million a season. And Koenecy at 5.5 worked out relatively well in the first 5 years, with the exception of some injury issues in one year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by jroc

Obviously all this Zary contract extension chatter is premature as there's a lot of 'ifs' about the output of the upcoming season... but, if he truly is that young 25G, 50P player, would Owen Tippet be a good comparable at $6.2 x 8 (I don't watch the Flyers much)???

https://capwages.com/players/owen-tippett

If he can put up 50+ points this season then I think you easily give him 6+ years at $5M-$6M if he'd accept that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jroc

Obviously all this Zary contract extension chatter is premature as there's a lot of 'ifs' about the output of the upcoming season... but, if he truly is that young 25G, 50P player, would Owen Tippet be a good comparable at $6.2 x 8 (I don't watch the Flyers much)???

https://capwages.com/players/owen-tippett

The 8th year brings the AAV down a bit, then you have to add the Canadian team tax, so 7x7 doesn't wouldn't seem crazy.

I think some people are stuck in the past. $7 million doesn't get you what it did a few years ago.

The whole premise of a 7x7 assumes he gets at least up to 50 points after this season as a 23 year old, which would assume he will exceed that in some seasons during the term. A player getting 50 points as a 23 year old stands a pretty good chance of being a 65-75 point player at some point.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The 8th year brings the AAV down a bit, then you have to add the Canadian team tax, so 7x7 doesn't wouldn't seem crazy.

I think some people are stuck in the past. $7 million doesn't get you what it did a few years ago.

The whole premise of a 7x7 assumes he gets at least up to 50 points after this season as a 23 year old, which would assume he will exceed that in some seasons during the term. A player getting 50 points as a 23 year old stands a pretty good chance of being a 65-75 point player at some point.

The 8th year at that age typically brings the average up a bit (I also don't see a Canadian team tax for RFA players coming off their entry deal. They don't have much leverage so the team is just negotiating buying some of their UFA years)... I also don't think there are any recent contracts that would say 7X7 is the new norm for a 40-50 point player coming off his entry level deal. Probably best recent comparables for a 50-70 point young player who got a 7X7 (or close to it) on his second contract are:

Top 10 draft pick Dylan Cozens after a 30 goal, nearly 70 point season got a 7X7.
Matt Boldy after a 31 goal, 63 point season got a $7.1X7
Quinn Byfield just signed a $6.2X5 after a 20 goal, 55 point season.
And Tippet.

If Byfield is only getting a $6.25X5 after a 55 point season, Zary isn't getting a 7X7 unless he puts up 70 points... and even if he does that, they'd still negotiate to get him under Byfield's number as Byfield's potential is massive.

Lundell is an interesting comparable too. Guy just signed a $5mX6 after a big playoff showing, great pedigree, and a 50-point pace season a couple years ago. That's roughly where I'd like to see Zary if he repeats or does a little better than last year... maybe a little more for an extra year, but I don't think you pay guys drafted in the 20s more than that at this age. There's no precedent, and the Flames aren't going to set it for a non top 5-10 drafted player.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

The 8th year at that age typically brings the average up a bit (I also don't see a Canadian team tax for RFA players coming off their entry deal. They don't have much leverage so the team is just negotiating buying some of their UFA years)... I also don't think there are any recent contracts that would say 7X7 is the new norm for a 40-50 point player coming off his entry level deal. Probably best recent comparables for a 50-70 point young player who got a 7X7 (or close to it) on his second contract are:

Top 10 draft pick Dylan Cozens after a 30 goal, nearly 70 point season got a 7X7.
Matt Boldy after a 31 goal, 63 point season got a $7.1X7
Quinn Byfield just signed a $6.2X5 after a 20 goal, 55 point season.
And Tippet.

If Byfield is only getting a $6.25X5 after a 55 point season, Zary isn't getting a 7X7 unless he puts up 70 points... and even if he does that, they'd still negotiate to get him under Byfield's number as Byfield's potential is massive.

Lundell is an interesting comparable too. Guy just signed a $5mX6 after a big playoff showing, great pedigree, and a 50-point pace season a couple years ago. That's roughly where I'd like to see Zary if he repeats or does a little better than last year... maybe a little more for an extra year, but I don't think you pay guys drafted in the 20s more than that at this age. There's no precedent, and the Flames aren't going to set it for a non top 5-10 drafted player.

Love Zary, but Byfield, Boldy, and Cozens are all on a higher level (for now anyways). Those three are expected to be first line players and potentially the core of an offence going forward. Zary is projecting more as a tenacious 2nd line player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

If Byfield is only getting a $6.25X5 after a 55 point season, Zary isn't getting a 7X7 unless he puts up 70 points... and even if he does that, they'd still negotiate to get him under Byfield's number as Byfield's potential is massive.

Byfield's number would be much higher if years were added to it. For young players, adding years increases the AAV as it buys out UFA years.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Byfield's number would be much higher if years were added to it. For young players, adding years increases the AAV as it buys out UFA years.

Exactly.

If Byfield had gone 7 or 8 years, his deal is significantly more expensive.

[Monahammer]

I see Columbus is publicly shopping their available cap space to cap strapped teams...

Can that franchise please just #### off? What a useless piece of garbage team, ownership group, state. I could go on.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I see Columbus is publicly shopping their available cap space to cap strapped teams...

Can that franchise please just #### off? What a useless piece of garbage team, ownership group, state. I could go on.

Is there something wrong with what they're doing? People right here on CP have been clamouring for the Flames to do exactly the same thing.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is there something wrong with what they're doing? People right here on CP have been clamouring for the Flames to do exactly the same thing.

But the Flames don't like the competition.

[bigrangy]

Dumb? idea of the day

Swayman
Korpisalo

For

Wolf
Vladar

Boston solves the Swayman issue and cuts a load of cap. Gets Vladar who they did like in the past, and Wolf who has great potential as soon as this year.

Calgary gets a guy who you can pencil in as the #1G for the nest 8 years and a dump they can tolerate. Even if Wolf hits, would he be that much better than Swayman has been? He’s only 2.5 years younger.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder if there could be something done between Toronto (Robertson), Nashville (Tomasino), and L.A. (Kaliyev).

Robertson and Kaliyev are both rumoured to want changes of scenery. I don't know what is really up with Tomasino, but it sounds like there are rumours around him moving as well.

Maybe a 3-way deal can be done.

Toronto gets Tomasino, Nashville gets Kaliyev, L.A. gets Robertson. Throw in whatever minor assets needed to balance it out.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Dumb? idea of the day

Swayman
Korpisalo

For

Wolf
Vladar

Boston solves the Swayman issue and cuts a load of cap. Gets Vladar who they did like in the past, and Wolf who has great potential as soon as this year.

Calgary gets a guy who you can pencil in as the #1G for the nest 8 years and a dump they can tolerate. Even if Wolf hits, would he be that much better than Swayman has been? He’s only 2.5 years younger.

No deal if Swayman wants 10 million

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is there something wrong with what they're doing? People right here on CP have been clamouring for the Flames to do exactly the same thing.

The thing that's wrong is that they're always copying us in our shadow.

It's competition during the time when we're FINALLY doing things like this to build our team. Other years virtually no teams have space and are willing. This year we finally are and CBJ goes and makes moves to see if they can do the same.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH YOU OHIO!

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No deal if Swayman wants 10 million

I just thought more about and forgot that the most important thing for the team to do this year is be bad, which this doesn’t help with.

So yeah bad idea.

But if Wolf is what I expect him to be, he’ll be on a 10 mil contract as soon as his current one is over.

[dammage79]

We don't move Wolf period. Have to ride his contract out and see what they got after, then make the decision then.

Flames have 2 years of freedom to let Wolf find his way, which I believe he will. He's done it every other step of the way, zero reason to think he cannot.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Dumb? idea of the day

Swayman
Korpisalo

For

Wolf
Vladar

Boston solves the Swayman issue and cuts a load of cap. Gets Vladar who they did like in the past, and Wolf who has great potential as soon as this year.

Calgary gets a guy who you can pencil in as the #1G for the nest 8 years and a dump they can tolerate. Even if Wolf hits, would he be that much better than Swayman has been? He’s only 2.5 years younger.

I don't think Boston would be interested in moving the best player in the deal for a guy who *might* be as good just to save some money.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I see Columbus is publicly shopping their available cap space to cap strapped teams...

Can that franchise please just #### off? What a useless piece of garbage team, ownership group, state. I could go on.

In their entire existence, they have hardly accomplished anything- other than the one year when they went to the Conference Finals. 17 of their 23 years without playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Dumb? idea of the day

Swayman
Korpisalo

For

Wolf
Vladar

Boston solves the Swayman issue and cuts a load of cap. Gets Vladar who they did like in the past, and Wolf who has great potential as soon as this year.

Calgary gets a guy who you can pencil in as the #1G for the nest 8 years and a dump they can tolerate. Even if Wolf hits, would he be that much better than Swayman has been? He’s only 2.5 years younger.

Can't imagine why Boston would want to run with a rookie goalie.

I doubt that Swayman would want to sign with a rebuilding team long term, although money may count, so you never know.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Sandman

In their entire existence, they have hardly accomplished anything- other than the one year when they went to the Conference Finals. 17 of their 23 years without playoffs.

They went to the Conference Finals? I don't remember anything other than that 1 round against the Bolts.