[Trade] Nashville trades G Yaroslav Askarov to Sharks

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Yeah, not convinced it is either. NJ wanted to go all in and didn't pay a premium for a proven, but aging commodity. It will probably be a good bang for buck trade for NJ when all is said and done. SJ is getting a great goaltending prospect which you never know if they pan out. Gibson was supposed to be the next great one. Even great goaltenders like Blackwood who showed potential early, fizzled. So SJ paid a hefty price for the best goaltending prospect but who really knows if it'll work?

Yes at best it’s similar in value

Neither Markstrom or Askarov is clearly better value. Just different value

Neither return is clearly better, I would even argue Nashville has slightly better return

[Enoch Root]

I like this trade for both teams. Nashville managed to get a good return for a guy that asked for a trade.

But SJ got a core piece. They have added 2 core Cs (Celebrini and Will Smith), a core D in Dickinson, and Askarov, in a matter of 14 months.

And Edstrom is expendable for them, with Smith and Celebrini in the fold.

Worst GM in the league, LOL

[Jason14h]

Yeah I’m not sure why people think Grier sucks . SJ has great starting pieces for a proper rebuild .

I guess because he “only” got a 3rd from Edmonton? If only he had held out like the Flames and got no pick!

No one will remember their “embarrassing” season in 5 years if they are cup contenders

That why finishing last (or winning the lottery) is so important to a proper rebuild

[cannon7]

Agree that this deal doesn't look too bad for SJ. But it is funny that Askarov is the "best goaltender not in the NHL" with his .911SV% while Wolf is second with .922SV%.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah I’m not sure why people think Grier sucks . SJ has great starting pieces for a proper rebuild .

I guess because he “only” got a 3rd from Edmonton? If only he had held out like the Flames and got no pick!

No one will remember their “embarrassing” season in 5 years if they are cup contenders

That why finishing last (or winning the lottery) is so important to a proper rebuild

I think not enough is said about finishing last/winning the draft lottery in the right years. Lots of teams win draft lotteries or draft high for a few years and it turns into a mediocre team at best… the trick is hitting at the right time. There’s a big difference between bottoming out and getting McKinnon and Makar vs bottoming out and getting Stuetzle and B. Tkachuk. Personally, I think the Sharks have managed to bottom out at just the right time with who they have drafted. Hoping the flames will be doing the same and get a shot at McKenna.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Agree that this deal doesn't look too bad for SJ. But it is funny that Askarov is the "best goaltender not in the NHL" with his .911SV% while Wolf is second with .922SV%.

Askarov strong like bull, Wolf teeny like mosquito.

Results at every level he's played at mean nothing. We're selling jeans here.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Askarov strong like bull, Wolf teeny like mosquito.

Results at every level he's played at mean nothing. We're selling jeans here.

Results mean something, but they don’t mean everything.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think not enough is said about finishing last/winning the draft lottery in the right years. Lots of teams win draft lotteries or draft high for a few years and it turns into a mediocre team at best… the trick is hitting at the right time. There’s a big difference between bottoming out and getting McKinnon and Makar vs bottoming out and getting Stuetzle and B. Tkachuk. Personally, I think the Sharks have managed to bottom out at just the right time with who they have drafted. Hoping the flames will be doing the same and get a shot at McKenna.

Kind of a weird comparison to make. Tkachuk is better than Kotkaniemi, Hayton, or Zadina for sure, and is outscoring Svechnikov. Stutlze has outscored everyone in his draft year.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Ped

Kind of a weird comparison to make. Tkachuk is better than Kotkaniemi, Hayton, or Zadina for sure, and is outscoring Svechnikov. Stutlze has outscored everyone in his draft year.

For sure, I didn’t want to pick some players that were not franchise players. B. Tkachuk and Stutzle are great players and are still franchise players IMO. It’s just pointing out the difference between acquiring franchise players (B. Tkachuk and Stutzle) from the rough years and acquiring arguably top players at their position in the whole league (McKinnon and Makar).

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Results mean something, but they don’t mean everything.

In the long run, results do, in fact, mean everything. Past results are not necessarily a predictor of future results – but they're the best we've got.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yeah I’m not sure why people think Grier sucks . SJ has great starting pieces for a proper rebuild .

I guess because he “only” got a 3rd from Edmonton? If only he had held out like the Flames and got no pick!

No one will remember their “embarrassing” season in 5 years if they are cup contenders

That why finishing last (or winning the lottery) is so important to a proper rebuild

And probably another 3rd (maybe conditional from a 4th) at the deadline when everyone wants to add an experienced 5/6 D.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In the long run, results do, in fact, mean everything. Past results are not necessarily a predictor of future results – but they're the best we've got.

In the NHL they will. But in the AHL, they're not always a surefire indicator of NHL results.

Until Wolf can prove that he can play at a high level in the NHL the questions will remain because he does not fit the prototype of goaltenders in the current era. Askarov on the other hand does.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In the long run, results do, in fact, mean everything. Past results are not necessarily a predictor of future results – but they're the best we've got.

Correct, I should have said "past results", especially in the minors.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Any good team builds from the net out. You gotta solidify that goaltending position to have any chance.

Sharks are going to be very, very good in the coming years.

I know... honestly I was kind of getting used to them stinking after they had such an extended run of success (at least in the regular season) during the Thornton/Pavelski era but they're really putting the pieces in place to potentially be a powerhouse again.

I'd expect them to go heavy on acquiring young D now.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Going to be bold here and say I wouldn't be surprised at

-Wolf panning out and Askarov busting
-Askarov panning out and Wolf busting
-Both busting
-Both being good

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I like this trade for both teams. Nashville managed to get a good return for a guy that asked for a trade.

But SJ got a core piece. They have added 2 core Cs (Celebrini and Will Smith), a core D in Dickinson, and Askarov, in a matter of 14 months.

And Edstrom is expendable for them, with Smith and Celebrini in the fold.

Worst GM in the league, LOL

Yeah really it shows the importance of A) Early Picks and B) Accumulation of picks though. Doing that can help overcome other moves that might be seen as a mistake.

Forward: Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Musty, Bystedt, Bordeleau, Chernyshov, Halttunen

Defense: Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, Sahlin-Wallenius, Ferraro, Thrun, Cagnoni, Havelid

Goalie: Askarov

They need to add another young-ish dman to this core...maybe somebody in that 22-25 year old age range that's a bit closer to helping immediately and be a leader on the team.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah really it shows the importance of A) Early Picks and B) Accumulation of picks though. Doing that can help overcome other moves that might be seen as a mistake.

Forward: Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, Musty, Bystedt, Bordeleau, Chernyshov, Halttunen

Defense: Dickinson, Mukhamadullin, Sahlin-Wallenius, Ferraro, Thrun, Cagnoni, Havelid

Goalie: Askarov

They need to add another young-ish dman to this core...maybe somebody in that 22-25 year old age range that's a bit closer to helping immediately and be a leader on the team.

I wonder if we could get something interesting for Andersson from them.

[Ped]

San Jose not only needs another blueline prospect, but they need a stud guy; someone on their prospect list could develop that way, but right now none are trending that way.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if we could get something interesting for Andersson from them.

Likely not, as he’ll be needing a new contract by the time the Sharks are starting to rise.

I expect a playoff team would be more likely to to want Andersson.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

In the NHL they will. But in the AHL, they're not always a surefire indicator of NHL results.

Until Wolf can prove that he can play at a high level in the NHL the questions will remain because he does not fit the prototype of goaltenders in the current era. Askarov on the other hand does.

Askarov isn't guaranteed to play at a high level in the NHL either.

But as Billy Beane would have said, apparently we're selling jeans here. We are grading prospects not on what they can do, but what they look like.