Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I am not playing victim and have never used the Holocaust as an excuse. I might have said that Israel was created out of the ashes of the Holocaust.

I said you supported the notion that the Holocaust can be used to excuse and defend genocide.

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

And if you took that as an accusation of antisemitism I did not mean that. Others on here have suggested you can hate Israel without being antisemitic. But you do have serious contempt for the current government of Israel and its policies bordering on hate.

You just naive or oblivious? Or both.

Yes. I have absolute serious contempt and disgust and revulsion for the current government of Israel and its policies and those that support them. As to a significant amount of people. Why the hell would you even question that?

Why? You really need it explained to you? That people are disgusted with a government with policies that actively encourage genocide. Have no issue with children being deliberately shot to death, are engaged in starving a whole population and debate in parliament whether or not it should be ok to rape detainees.

You actually needed that explained that people are revulsed and disgusted with that?

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Fine. Maybe you cheer when Hezbollah and Iran fire missiles at Israel. Maybe you don’t. I don’t know.

Wtf does that even mean?

Nowhere in this thread have I defended or excused ANY group in this mess. Which is more than can be said for you.

So by your benchmark it's fair to conclude by your lack of disgust at the Israeli government and its genocidal policies that you are perfectly fine with this slaughter.


That you. You know. Cheer it on.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I said you supported the notion that the Holocaust can be used to excuse and defend genocide.

…….

So by your benchmark it's fair to conclude by your lack of disgust at the Israeli government and its genocidal policies that you are perfectly fine with this slaughter.

Where did I say these things? I want all of this to stop. Ceasefire. In the north and south. Hostages freed. Hamas replaced as governing authority in Gaza. Hezbollah’s military wing dismantled and normalized relations between Israel and Lebanon. An end to the Islamic theocracy in Iran and their state sponsoring of terrorism in the region. What else?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Have you guys called for Hezbollah to stop firing missiles at northern Israel and allow 100,000 Israelis of all religions and ethnicities to go home and return to work and school?

Yes.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Where did I say these things? I want all of this to stop. Ceasefire. In the north and south. Hostages freed. Hamas replaced as governing authority in Gaza. Hezbollah’s military wing dismantled and normalized relations between Israel and Lebanon. An end to the Islamic theocracy in Iran and their state sponsoring of terrorism in the region. What else?

Again.

I said you supported the notion that the Holocaust can be used to excuse and defend genocide.

What else? You seemed offended that I have "serious contempt for the current government of Israel and its policies". I explained why.

You're not disgusted by their slaughter of children? Deliberate starvation of a population?

What is it about my disgust with them and their genocidal policies that confuses you?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe you should get on the line with Netanyahu. He apparently doesn’t seem to care either:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/northe...e-day-protest/

That was from May. Can’t imagine it’s gotten a whole lot better for them.

But I don’t know, maybe you were too busy cheering on civilians deaths to talk to the right people, or maybe you weren’t. I just don’t know

It may not be safe for the displaced people to return to these areas. Maybe because of attacks and potential attacks from Hezbollah.

From your article.

Around 60,000 residents of towns and villages along Israel’s northern border have been forced from their homes since October due to near-daily cross-border rocket and anti-tank missile attacks by Hezbollah and other terrorists in southern Lebanon.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It may not be safe for the displaced people to return to these areas. Maybe because of attacks and potential attacks from Hezbollah.

From your article.

If only you had read the rest of the article. Oh well.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Well, nobody suggested her stay was "filled with Netflix, trip to the beach and Skip the Dishes". The point is, it doesn't help their image when one of the prisoners feels the need to come out and correct them for the record, laying out how they lied. Why lie in the first place? So dumb.

Everything she says here may be true, and media spin is certainly happening.

But (and I hesitate to even read, let alone comment in this thread), I want to point out that when Hamas releases prisoners, they almost always try to retain either a family member, or friend at the same time. In the case of Noa Argamani, they're still holding her boyfriend as per the article.

In order to best preserve his safety there is incentive to publicly minimize the horrors of what she went through. Which is why Hamas does it.

I felt that was worth pointing out in the context of the discussion.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If only you had read the rest of the article. Oh well.

This part?

Since October 8, Hezbollah-led forces have attacked Israeli communities and military posts along the border on a near-daily basis, with the group saying it is doing so to support Gaza amid the war there.

Or this?

So far, the skirmishes on the border have resulted in nine civilian deaths on the Israeli side, as well as the deaths of 14 IDF soldiers and reservists. There have also been several attacks from Syria, without any injuries.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

This part?



Or this?

All the parts you decided to ignore between those paragraphs.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I wouldn’t honestly be surprised if anyone even accidentally thought you “got” anything.

If I’m keeping track, in your mind, I’m: A Hamas supporter who believes Hamas is bad, who is ashamed of my own beliefs but speaks them openly, while wanting Israel destroyed despite criticizing you for trashing Israeli civilians (specifically hostages and the LGBTQ community).

That’s fun to try and follow. I bet you love a good conspiracy theory. Do another for me.

Speaking of Trump, weren’t you the guy who mocked “natives” and “israelites” for taking issue with Trump supporters?

Haha.

Ahh the stink of desperation, I mean going back 8 years and still not having any clue makes sense, you don't seem to have a clue about anything that has happened in the past. Keep embarrassing yourself I guess if that's your thing.

More projecting from you lot, puking your nonsensical conspiracies all over the place. There you go again pretending you care about LGBTQ, I guess you feel you didn't trot out your pet project enough lately. Just say "genocide", "famine" and "apartheid" and you will have hit your quota for the day. xD

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Ahh the stink of desperation, I mean going back 8 years and still not having any clue makes sense, you don't seem to have a clue about anything that has happened in the past. Keep embarrassing yourself I guess if that's your thing.

More projecting from you lot, puking your nonsensical conspiracies all over the place. There you go again pretending you care about LGBTQ, I guess you feel you didn't trot out your pet project enough lately. Just say "genocide", "famine" and "apartheid" and you will have hit your quota for the day. xD

Neat, few things:
1. If something stinks, have a shower. Probably best to mix those in regularly.
2. What conspiracy do I believe in? Name one.
3. You didn’t deny mocking “natives” and “israelites” for taking issue with Trump supporters, so safe to say you got painted into a corner there.
4. I’m actually part of the LGBTQ community, so I don’t have to pretend. Unlike someone who, when asked multiple times, couldn’t even name a single issue he cared about. Not a single one. Funny
5. When you talk about people who haven’t got a “clue,” it’s a compliment.

Do another. Mix in an answer to number 2 above. Maybe say something like “OMG YOU KEEP EMBARASSING YOURSELF LIES LIES LIES” because it’s really doing a lot for you so far.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Scootenbot thinks he's the smartest person in the room. He likely is because he is alone in his mom's basement (sorry scooterbot I stole your favorite joke)

We're still waiting on some LGBTQ issues you care about. Remember when you made some claims and then disappeared?

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

4. I’m actually part of the LGBTQ community, so I don’t have to pretend. Unlike someone who, when asked multiple times, couldn’t even name a single issue he cared about. Not a single one. Funny

Oh wow you think that matters, is this your "I have a black friend" moment? You think because you're in that community anyone for a second thinks you give a #### about them past where your self serving interest takes you? Like I would assume you're a regular person but on Oct 7th you sure weren't showing any humanity or decency, women and children were dead in the street and the first thing you wanted to make sure everyone knew was they were not victims and "there's really no side to take here". Pretty vile disgusting behavior that you still don't explain. You were called out immediately which was quite enjoyable, you in typical coward fashion just rambled nonsense to get out of your own words like you're doing now.

It's ok Zary, I know you're busy polishing Trumps b-hole and being chased from every thread you open your mouth in. I guess that joke really hurt you so you remembered it xD

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh wow you think that matters, is this your "I have a black friend" moment? You think because you're in that community anyone for a second thinks you give a #### about them past where your self serving interest takes you? Like I would assume you're a regular person but on Oct 7th you sure weren't showing any humanity or decency, women and children were dead in the street and the first thing you wanted to make sure everyone knew was they were not victims and "there's really no side to take here". Pretty vile disgusting behavior that you still don't explain. You were called out immediately which was quite enjoyable, you in typical coward fashion just rambled nonsense to get out of your own words like you're doing now.

It's ok Zary, I know you're busy polishing Trumps b-hole and being chased from every thread you open your mouth in. I guess that joke really hurt you so you remembered it xD

Not your best, here’s a few more notes:
1. It would technically be an “I am Black” moment, not a “I have a Black friend” moment. And I knew you would think even less of me for it (since you hate LGBTQ people), so i really just mentioned it to get further under your skin.
2. Again, you can’t pretend like those posts haven’t been explained, it makes you look stupid. I get nobody can expect more from you, but you’re obviously trying really hard to impress people and have it in your head that you have this big audience, so I don’t want you missing the opportunity here.
3. If you’re also going to pretend I said victims weren’t victims, then you probably shouldn’t have done 40+ post mocking victims, calling them liars, saying they deserve to die, etc. It just makes it kind of awkward.
4. Don’t obsess so much over Trump’s butthole. If that’s what you like, that’s great for you, but projecting that onto other people is weird.

I really think you can do better. Just imagine you’re talking directly to someone who is some combination of Palestinian, hostage, LGBTQ, Black, “native,” “israelite,” and a leftist… you know, really let the hate and contempt through you. Pretend nobody is watching and just say what you really mean. Pretend your favourite far right politician is watching and is ready to give you your very own podcast! Really lean into it!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It would technically be an “I am Black” moment

Yeah, but you're totally the Uncle Tom of LGTBQ+s - subservient and never speaking your mind. So it doesn't count.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I really think you can do better. Just imagine you’re talking directly to someone who is some combination of Palestinian, hostage, LGBTQ, Black, “native,” “israelite,” and a leftist… you know, really let the hate and contempt through you. Pretend nobody is watching and just say what you really mean. Pretend your favourite far right politician is watching and is ready to give you your very own podcast! Really lean into it!

Is that what you do? You pretend everyone is Israeli so in your eyes they are never victims and you can say there is "two sides" to every incident? Speaking of far right how does it feel to be on the same side as Putin and have your best friend say he's gonna vote for Trump? Oh and Kamala and Biden both disown you and your whole troupe of gross faux activists, that must sting. Still can't explain your vile Oct 7th quote? That's ok I don't mind waiting.

Oh some fresh news for you, you're gonna hate this. xD

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-816613

Looks like "apartheid" Israel just sent IDF to rescue a muslim Israeli from one of those tunnels you say doesn't exist. Oh and Netanyahu doesn't really want to rescue hostages according to your brainless conspiracies but this must have been an accident. Weird how reality doesn't fit into your hate filled agenda.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Is that what you do? You pretend everyone is Israeli so in your eyes they are never victims and you can say there is "two sides" to every incident? Speaking of far right how does it feel to be on the same side as Putin and have your best friend say he's gonna vote for Trump? Oh and Kamala and Biden both disown you and your whole troupe of gross faux activists, that must sting. Still can't explain your vile Oct 7th quote? That's ok I don't mind waiting.

Oh some fresh news for you, you're gonna hate this. xD

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-816613

Looks like "apartheid" Israel just sent IDF to rescue a muslim Israeli from one of those tunnels you say doesn't exist. Oh and Netanyahu doesn't really want to rescue hostages according to your brainless conspiracies but this must have been an accident. Weird how reality doesn't fit into your hate filled agenda.

Great news!

But a muslim Israeli hostage? Jesus, you must have hated reading that.

Are you having trouble deciding which of those characteristics you hate him for more? I’m honestly surprised you didn’t just call him a liar for being rescued.

[PepsiFree]

Hopefully Hamas treated him better than the IDF would have. Skooten is cheering this stuff on, absolutely loves it and won’t deny it. Can’t wait to see him reply defending this or pretending it never happened so he can keep cheering it on in private:

(Jerusalem) – Israeli forces have arbitrarily detained Palestinian healthcare workers in Gaza since hostilities began in October 2023, deported them to detention facilities in Israel, and allegedly tortured and ill-treated them, Human Rights Watch said today. The detention of healthcare workers in the context of the Israeli military’s repeated attacks on hospitals in Gaza has contributed to the catastrophic degradation of the besieged territory’s healthcare system.

Released doctors, nurses and paramedics described to Human Rights Watch their mistreatment in Israeli custody, including humiliation, beatings, forced stress positions, prolonged cuffing and blindfolding, and denial of medical care. They also reported torture, including rape and sexual abuse by Israeli forces, denial of medical care, and poor detention conditions for the general detainee population.

“The Israeli government’s mistreatment of Palestinian healthcare workers has continued in the shadows and needs to immediately stop,” said Balkees Jarrah, acting Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “The torture and other ill-treatment of doctors, nurses, and paramedics should be thoroughly investigated and appropriately punished, including by the International Criminal Court (ICC).”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/...rkers-tortured

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Great news!

But a muslim Israeli hostage? Jesus, you must have hated reading that.

Are you having trouble deciding which of those characteristics you hate him for more? I’m honestly surprised you didn’t just call him a liar for being rescued.

What happened to apartheid? Do you think after they rescued him they immediately kicked him out of Israel? I'm sure your freedom fighter friends Hamas treated him really well, they're known for their kindness and generosity with hostages. I am shocked you didn't claim he was promptly raped and tortured by his rescuers. Weird how you're more angry about this than the initial kidnapping.

It probably really hurts you to hear Jewish soldiers rescuing a Muslim man, it hurt so bad you immediately find yourself some link to change the subject, you're good at that. You've been doing it since Oct 7th.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh some fresh news for you, you're gonna hate this. xD

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-816613

Looks like "apartheid" Israel just sent IDF to rescue a muslim Israeli from one of those tunnels you say doesn't exist. Oh and Netanyahu doesn't really want to rescue hostages according to your brainless conspiracies but this must have been an accident. Weird how reality doesn't fit into your hate filled agenda.

This is actually HILARIOUS because if you actually looked into it, it's being reported that they found him by chance as they were going through the tunnels searching for Hamas, not some heroic IDF rescue mission.

Weird how that doesn't fit into your hate filled agenda though....