[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You are comparing a guy who came here to pump his stats and get traded at the deadline, to a guy who got bought out, never made the playoffs to come help win a title.

Well, none of us really know Skinner's motivations. For all we know he just wants to play with McDavid to score 40 goals, get another big fat contract, and he doesn't care at all about the playoffs.

The only thing we know for sure, is that he came in a lot cheaper than many of his peers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Well, none of us really know Skinner's motivations. For all we know he just wants to play with McDavid to score 40 goals, get another big fat contract, and he doesn't care at all about the playoffs.

The only thing we know for sure, is that he came in a lot cheaper than many of his peers.

You think a 33 year old Skinner will get fat contract after scoring goals with McDavid?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think a 33 year old Skinner will get fat contract after scoring goals with McDavid?

I assume it would help more than not scoring a bunch of goals.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Groot

The topic was players taking discounts to play there, but I guess we're just moving on from that.

They didn't get cap space by not signing the offer sheets. They got space by trading away Ceci. They lost the players because they still didn't have cap space to sign them without LTIR that would've just moved the problem to mid-season, and they valued the cap space they can accrue over the season more than the players apparently. So they're down a RD and have to find a D partner for Nurse before the season, plus down 2 young prospects, replaced with lesser prospects.

I do not think they are in a better position at all. I think their biggest weakness, defense, got worse. And if they don't do anything and let cap space acrue over the season, they can afford a 4.4 million player at the trade deadline, hardly a difference maker when their forward depth is also going to be an issue.

I cannot wait for the team to see it's not all roses and sunshine on the way to their destined Cup. I don't see them making it to the WCF again regardless of their cap space (all $170k of it) and then Draisatl will leave as a UFA and maybe get a 2nd round pick when a team trades for his rights. That's the beginning of the end and they'll be back in the basement within 12 months.

Well to be clear they have cap space accruing if they don’t put Kane on LTIR They then start the year with a 22 man roster. If they get 3 other injuries to forwards they have to play with less than 20 players. If they get an injury to either goalie they will need to send on of their 20 non-goalies down to the AHL to make cap space to bring up an AHL goalie.

Their cap space is somewhat contingent on not getting many injuries in the first 3-4 months of the year if Kane is getting that surgery. If one of their goalies goes out for any period of time in the first 3-4 months they are effectively down to a 21 man roster. A bad run of injuries and they will be using a 15 man roster like the Flames did when Sutter was GM.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well to be clear they have cap space accruing if they don’t put Kane on LTIR They then start the year with a 22 man roster. If they get 3 other injuries to forwards they have to play with less than 20 players. If they get an injury to either goalie they will need to send on of their 20 non-goalies down to the AHL to make cap space to bring up an AHL goalie.

Their cap space is somewhat contingent on not getting many injuries in the first 3-4 months of the year if Kane is getting that surgery. If one of their goalies goes out for any period of time in the first 3-4 months they are effectively down to a 21 man roster. A bad run of injuries and they will be using a 15 man roster like the Flames did when Sutter was GM.

Flames' situation at that time was worse, because there was no LTIR then, so injured players couldn't be replaced since the Flames were right up against the cap. If there had been LTIR, they could have used a full roster.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think a 33 year old Skinner will get fat contract after scoring goals with McDavid?

More to the point, how many linemates do you expect McDavid to have? Skinner might not get a sniff on that line all season.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I assume it would help more than not scoring a bunch of goals.

Edmonton was for sure the highest offer also.

[memphusk]

Perry getting paid over minimum to lose players on offer sheets, when its not an expansion ream situation. Stan Bowman. Awesome. Entitled from dads name and now the leader of whatever that mess is. Integrity is huge, I guess.

[dino7c]

Skinner was lucky to get 3M wtf are some of you smoking

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Skinner was lucky to get 3M wtf are some of you smoking

How's that?

The guy has averaged 30G and 55 pts his entire career.

And he is "lucky" to get 3M?

That is a huge bargain in todays NHL.

[Enoch Root]

It is hilarious reading people say that these guys took discounts. No, Oil Stain, I haven't seen a single unbiased fan claim that they did (only Oiler fans and media). The only way that you can claim guy took a discount is if you know that he turned down more money elsewhere (or, for an RFA, took a short deal). We have NO evidence that any of these guys turned down more money elsewhere.

[Enoch Root]

As for the Oilers being better this year, let's look at how their team has changed over the summer...

Forwards: added Arvidsson, Skinner and Podzolkin, lost Foegele, McLeod and Holloway. Might have gotten a little more talented, but got older, slower and smaller. They carved a hole in their PK, and lost a lot of the heavy lifting on their forecheck.

Defense: they added Brown, Stecher and Emberson and lost Ceci, Desharnais and Broberg. They got smaller, and substantially worse. Ceci was a stalwart on the PK, so that's another blow to it.

PP: same
PK: worse
Speed: worse
Physicality: worse
Offense: probably better, but they will have trouble getting out of their owz zone, which will hamper the offence.

Someone tell me how the team got better.

[Jason14h]

Just because a player took less to sign with the Oilers doesn’t mean they got better overall

Almost all Stanley Cup contenders sees some veterans take discounts to join them and make a run at a cup

I don’t think many would argue the Oilers got better from game 7 last year , especially with Kane out . However , come deadline time they will have some cap flexibility and some extra picks to try for another run

The oilers are looking at this year to win it all because anything further then this season isn’t guaranteed they have their two superstars around

[McG]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well to be clear they have cap space accruing if they don’t put Kane on LTIR They then start the year with a 22 man roster. If they get 3 other injuries to forwards they have to play with less than 20 players. If they get an injury to either goalie they will need to send on of their 20 non-goalies down to the AHL to make cap space to bring up an AHL goalie.

Their cap space is somewhat contingent on not getting many injuries in the first 3-4 months of the year if Kane is getting that surgery. If one of their goalies goes out for any period of time in the first 3-4 months they are effectively down to a 21 man roster. A bad run of injuries and they will be using a 15 man roster like the Flames did when Sutter was GM.

Whilst I was contemplating whether younger or older players are more or less likely to get injured, and whether oilies fans will be patting themselves on the back for veteran “discounts” at that point, I decided that it probably won’t matter as the glitter twins will play half of the time and get all of the premium opportunities.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How's that?

The guy has averaged 30G and 55 pts his entire career.

And he is "lucky" to get 3M?

That is a huge bargain in todays NHL.

On terrible teams with inflated minutes, there is also more to hockey then points

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

On terrible teams

That really doesnt help your argument.

with inflated minutes

No idea how you come to this conclusion. He was 7th on the Sabres among forwards in TOI PG.

there is also more to hockey then points.

Thanks tips!

However, in case you haven't noticed, point getters, and particularly goal scorers, are paid very well regardless of "more to hockey".

Skinner is a pretty good player who was given an absurd contract by a bad GM that soured fans, but that does not take away from his abilities and his body of work.

Im really not sure why the Oilers went after him as he is a bit redundant and their issues are hardly up front. Again though, 3M for a guy with his resume is a hell of a bargain.

[Groot]

Buffalo management - Even though we don't even need the cap space, we would rather pay Skinner not to play for us than have him around the team any longer. We can't even find a trade partner that will take him with retention.

Skinner - I'm still owed $22 million dollars by the Sabres, I'll take a million or two like 99% of other players bought out and re-signed. Wait, a team that doesn't care about defense is offering me what?

Oilers fans, media and apologists/water carriers - Skinner signed for such a discount! What a bargain!

[Saqe]

Skinner got bought out not because the Sabres needed cap space but because he is a one dimensional winger who's gaf meter is at zero way too often. He will put up cookie points if he doesn't have to care about defense, maybe that's the plan with the Oilers. But I fail to see how giving a player 3M when he has never played in the playoffs and seemingly his style is the opposite you need to win is somehow a bargain. Especially when the Oilers really don't need anymore regular season scorers but playoff types.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That really doesnt help your argument.




No idea how you come to this conclusion. He was 7th on the Sabres among forwards in TOI PG.






Thanks tips!

However, in case you haven't noticed, point getters, and particularly goal scorers, are paid very well regardless of "more to hockey".

Skinner is a pretty good player who was given an absurd contract by a bad GM that soured fans, but that does not take away from his abilities and his body of work.

I'm really not sure why the Oilers went after him as he is a bit redundant and their issues are hardly up front. Again though, 3M for a guy with his resume is a hell of a bargain.

Okay tips, that's why a bad team with tons of cap space is paying him not to play for them. He got inflated minutes in offensive situations that he wouldn't get on a good team. Guy isn't just average defensively he is legit terrible. A net negative player.

And GL with the 30 goals with 20 seconds of PP time a night.

Teams weren't lining up for this guy, some of you are so easily fooled by Oiler propaganda

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That really doesnt help your argument.

I'm guessing he meant kind of like Sharangovich and Coleman having career years here last year.