How do you solve it? You can't make someone sign. Athletes already have very few rights.
Why can't they just live within the parameters that are bargained by their peers? You would think that these kids spent the better part of their life working their asses off and forgoing a normal childhood for the dream to make the Sow. Then you do and you say, "no, not for them, I will not take your millions of dollars"
I hope McGroarty is a giant bust and Yager has a long and illustrious career!
Pretty good return for a "damaged" asset.
I really wanted him in 2023 but he was gone 2 ahead of our pick.
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How do you solve it? You can't make someone sign. Athletes already have very few rights.
Yep!
I obviously understand it's more nuanced, but at the end of the day, these are jobs. It's hard to support forcing someone to work a job because a "company" basically called dibs them.
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Yeah I'm surprised Winnipeg didn't have to add a little sweetener here.
Yager and McGroarty are close in pedigree but with McGroarty not being willing to sign and with him being a year older I would have expected Winnipeg to not quite get equal to better value here.
Personally I would have kept Yager I think - just with him being a center where I think McGroarty project more as a winger at the NHL level.
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also, McGroarty would have had to wait two more years to become UFA. He'd have just started his ELC when others his age and pedigree would already get to their second contract (and possibly a big payday, see Beniers). If a top prospect really wants to go that route, it comes with a lot of lost money and a ton of risk (injuries) as well.
Why can't they just live within the parameters that are bargained by their peers? You would think that these kids spent the better part of their life working their asses off and forgoing a normal childhood for the dream to make the Sow. Then you do and you say, "no, not for them, I will not take your millions of dollars"
I hope McGroarty is a giant bust and Yager has a long and illustrious career!
Choosing to not sign with a team is well within the parameters that have been bargained and agreed to by both the league and PA.
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How do you solve it? You can't make someone sign. Athletes already have very few rights.
Have the owners bargain for holding a players rights for a longer period of time to the point it is punitive for contract hold outs.
Want to screw over the team that has invested draft capital, time and money into your development? Feel free to sit on the sidelines until you’re 25 if a trade can’t be reached.
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This not willing to sign business that comes up all too often has to be a real concern for this league.
Unless they are top end player, they can’t really dictate things like that. Well they can and some have, but it’s a huge gamble and a minimal loss because they are fringe players.
When they are vocal about it, and you don’t have the dumbest GM in the league, then you can just use the good asset in a trade. It’s not a huge deal. Sucks from a fan perspective if you like a particular player.
Have the owners bargain for holding a players rights for a longer period of time to the point it is punitive for contract hold outs.
Want to screw over the team that has invested draft capital, time and money into your development? Feel free to sit on the sidelines until you’re 25 if a trade can’t be reached.
Yeah I'm surprised Winnipeg didn't have to add a little sweetener here.
Yager and McGroarty are close in pedigree but with McGroarty not being willing to sign and with him being a year older I would have expected Winnipeg to not quite get equal to better value here.
Personally I would have kept Yager I think - just with him being a center where I think McGroarty project more as a winger at the NHL level.
They are probably similar prospects with similar upside.
McGroarty can probably play now given his size and since he's a winger and that's probably more useful to the Pens who need youth and energy in the lineup now.
Yager will probably need a few years of seasoning and the Jets can give him that time due to their centre depth.
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Have the owners bargain for holding a players rights for a longer period of time to the point it is punitive for contract hold outs.
Want to screw over the team that has invested draft capital, time and money into your development? Feel free to sit on the sidelines until you’re 25 if a trade can’t be reached.
They are probably similar prospects with similar upside.
McGroarty can probably play now given his size and since he's a winger and that's probably more useful to the Pens who need youth and energy in the lineup now.
Yager will probably need a few years of seasoning and the Jets can give him that time due to their centre depth.
I agree with a lot of this. I think its a good trade for both teams. Each one gets something out of the deal.
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Why can't they just live within the parameters that are bargained by their peers? You would think that these kids spent the better part of their life working their asses off and forgoing a normal childhood for the dream to make the Sow. Then you do and you say, "no, not for them, I will not take your millions of dollars"
I hope McGroarty is a giant bust and Yager has a long and illustrious career!
The NHL dream for most doesn't include having to live in Winnipeg.
That ain't the dream.
He is operating within the system. He is exercising the rights he has.
Doesn't mean I like it. Frankly what I dislike most about it, and where I would be concerned, is the rumors he wouldn't sign because Winnipeg wasn't going to play him in the playoffs. Don't like him putting himself over a team that worked to get there.
But in terms of operating within the parameters? He's doing that.
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