Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[Paulie Walnuts]

2 of the funniest things from yesterday reading Oiler fans talk about speed being overrated, and saying Broberg and Holloway went to an aging team.

Oh wait also a lot of them complained how could Holloway leave for just 1 million, he obviously doesn't care about winning, and Oiler fans didn't care about math in school.

[direwolf]

Did Drai sign for his hometown discount yet? The Oiler media said it was a done deal almost a month ago. They wouldn’t lie to us, would they?

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Did Drai sign for his hometown discount yet? The Oiler media said it was a done deal almost a month ago. They wouldn’t lie to us, would they?

Opening of training camp according to some "experts"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2 of the funniest things from yesterday reading Oiler fans talk about speed being overrated, and saying Broberg and Holloway went to an aging team.

Oh wait also a lot of them complained how could Holloway leave for just 1 million, he obviously doesn't care about winning, and Oiler fans didn't care about math in school.

Remind me what McDavid's biggest asset is?

[SuperMatt18]

The problem with the idea of a "discount" is you have to agree to what the player is worth before the discount.

With Holloway and Broberg they were supposedly asking for $1.5M and $1.8M respectively...which based on what St.Louis was willing to offer you could consider was already a discount.

So at that point taking $1M to stay in Edmonton isn't being willing to take a discount, but actually just being lowballed.

It's the same case with Draisaitl right now.

He's going to think he's worth $14M+ per season based on Matthews deal, and I actually don't see him wanting to take less tham Matthews $13.25M. I think there is a bit of competition between those 2 and that Drai sees himself as clearly the better player.

For Draistail he's going to think that $13.25M is already taking a big discount.

But for Oilers brass and media they seem to think that Draisaitl should be taking between $11-$12M in order to stay and take a discount. And honestly I just don't see that happening.

[Azhouse]

The narrative out of Edmonton (from fans and homer journos) is, screw any player that won’t take a hometown discount to win a cup. Pretty funny.

Fan feedback on Staples Edmonton Urinal article:

-Both players decided to bail on their team to get money instead of helping them get a Cup. If that’s what they enjoy more, they can get the heck out.

-Oil could have matched. I like the message sent by not matching.

- I bet Holloway regrets signing the offer sheet before his career ends.

And Spec:
-So, cap space is king for Oilers? If they let their youngest fwd and Dman walk as now expected, they’ll simply surround core with a liquid roster of short-term vets willing to chase Cups with 97 and 29. Flexibility at deadline worth more than development. Fascinating approach.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Remind me what McDavid's biggest asset is?

His boundless charisma.

[D as in David]

[stemit14]

Funny hearing these oiler fans assume McDavid and Draisaitl will take a discount to stay in Edmonton. In. Edmonton.

Here’s my speech to McDavid or Draisaitl as their agents - and I would have told them this a long time ago…

Always remember this is a business. The coaches and management will be constantly pressuring you to stay and to even take less money to stay but think of how things would go if all of a sudden your game took a nose dive. You’re about to go into your 30s. How do you think the oilers management would respond if you turned into a perennial 50 point player two years from now? You and I both know they would jump at an opportunity to trade you anywhere else in that scenario… then all this BS about taking less for the team and building something special would be forgotten by them. You’ve given them the best years of your career already… for them to even ask you to take a discount is an insult. Any time you feel pressure from management, coaches or their media talking heads about signing a team friendly deal… you walk away from that situation and let me raise hell with them for it.”

[sarge]

Coiler Apologist/Clown/Jock Sniffer Spector is at it again. He is claiming that if all of the Coil’s star players who are up for contracts soon take hometown & the so called Stanley Cup discounts, they are certain to win multiple cups…


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...smartest-move/

[Locke]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Funny hearing these oiler fans assume McDavid and Draisaitl will take a discount to stay in Edmonton. In. Edmonton.

Here’s my speech to McDavid or Draisaitl as their agents - and I would have told them this a long time ago…

Always remember this is a business. The coaches and management will be constantly pressuring you to stay and to even take less money to stay but think of how things would go if all of a sudden your game took a nose dive. You’re about to go into your 30s. How do you think the oilers management would respond if you turned into a perennial 50 point player two years from now? You and I both know they would jump at an opportunity to trade you anywhere else in that scenario… then all this BS about taking less for the team and building something special would be forgotten by them. You’ve given them the best years of your career already… for them to even ask you to take a discount is an insult. Any time you feel pressure from management, coaches or their media talking heads about signing a team friendly deal… you walk away from that situation and let me raise hell with them for it.”

I think your more important point is their age.

"They want to WIN! In Edmonton!!"

No...they want to make money. Their careers are almost over.

[Dion]

[Hockey_Ninja]

Oilers fans on Twitter are so dumb. Calling Broberg and Holloway losers for not taking discounts to want to stay with "29 and 97" like bro, these guys are early in their career's. They aren't at the point where they should be accepting discounts. Hockey players put their bodies through a lot playing this sport, they're gonna try to get as much money as they can throughout their careers cause you never know how long you're gonna be able to play for. I'm sure every player wants to win the cup. But I'm also pretty sure most of them realize that their chances of winning one aren't very high due to both the unpredictability of hockey and how tough it is to go all they way. And there ain't no guarantee the Oilers are gonna get back to the finals again and win the cup this time around.

So basically what I'm trying to say is: E = NG

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I’m starting to think this whole narrative of taking less to win Stanley Cups is a being planted by Katz and his henchmen to put pressure on Draisaitl or make him look like the bad guy when he decides not to sign. Every player in the NHL wants to win cups, its the competitiveness that got them to that level. Even if he signs for 13.5 x 8 they will push that narrative but total dollars that is more than 15 x 7 (math is hard for Edmonton media) so did he really leave money on the table. There is no guarantee he plays beyond this contract. Getzlaf as an example retired when he was 37. Draisaitl will be basically 30 when this kicks in.

[SutterBrother]

Yeah, Mcavi and Raisaitl should take discounts, so that the Oilers mismanagement can hand that money in overpayments to guys like Nurse and Campbell.

Good job boys, I'm sure the other scrubs on the team are enjoying spending millions that should have been yours!

[Robbob]

Let's be honest, the reason they are being asked to take discounts is because the team is horrible at cap management. They want them to take less because they effed things up cap wise and need help. The last decade the Oilers have been riddled with buyout on their ledger. I don't think there was a season during the McDrai tenure that the team was playing with a full deck because they were sitting on a bunch of dead money. So yeah blame the player because management has continuously screwed up.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

I’m starting to think this whole narrative of taking less to win Stanley Cups is a being planted by Katz and his henchmen to put pressure on Draisaitl or make him look like the bad guy when he decides not to sign. Every player in the NHL wants to win cups, its the competitiveness that got them to that level. Even if he signs for 13.5 x 8 they will push that narrative but total dollars that is more than 15 x 7 (math is hard for Edmonton media) so did he really leave money on the table. There is no guarantee he plays beyond this contract. Getzlaf as an example retired when he was 37. Draisaitl will be basically 30 when this kicks in.

There's no question that Oilers management/ownership is working the local media, as usual. All management groups will do this to some extent, but the big difference is that the local (and SNET) media are all a bunch of sycophants and fan-boys with no professionalism or journalistic integrity.

It's part of the echo chamber they've created in Edmonton starting with Sather:
The team cozies up to the local media ensuring that they get scoops, privileges and insider info. In return, the media (for the most part) works as an extension of the team and a de facto propaganda department. The fact that Edmonton is a depressing hell-hole with few redeeming qualities means that the locals will hold onto any tidbit of civic pride they can, as opposed to other places that have more going on than their local sports team (the Sask Roughriders have a similar phenomenon).

In the 80's the local sports teams were quite successful so that become the shining beacon of pride for the local unwashed yokels including the hubris of 'officially' referring to their Soviet-style wasteland as the 'City of Champions'. The locals jumped into the cesspool of propaganda head-first and have been doing laps in their own filth for the last 40+ years. This has created more incentive for the the local media to be the cow-towing clowns they are, and has also spawned a couple generations of media yes-men for the Oilers to take advantage of.

There is no question in my mind that this media narrative of "taking less to win in Edmonton" is absolutely orchestrated by the team and the bobble-head media just follows along. We've see it multiple times how players get celebrated as gods, pressured to stay for less only to be vilified on their way out as a warning to other players.

The whole city and team needs an asteroid-sized enema.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Let's be honest, the reason they are being asked to take discounts is because the team is horrible at cap management. They want them to take less because they effed things up cap wise and need help. The last decade the Oilers have been riddled with buyout on their ledger. I don't think there was a season during the McDrai tenure that the team was playing with a full deck because they were sitting on a bunch of dead money. So yeah blame the player because management has continuously screwed up.

Cap management and culture are slowly sewering the whole team
Mcdavid and Draisaitl will sign for big money where ever. The 2 should come in at about a 30M AAV.
the Nurse contract is going to greatly inflate Bouchards next deal. Going to have to be another 10M
Then
As soon as Kane signed his 5 1/4M deal, he started stirring crap in the locker room.
now they just added 4M Arvidsson to sit on the IR.
But Hey! "They killed the offseason" right?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

There's no question that Oilers management/ownership is working the local media, as usual. All management groups will do this to some extent, but the big difference is that the local (and SNET) media are all a bunch of sycophants and fan-boys with no professionalism or journalistic integrity.

It's part of the echo chamber they've created in Edmonton starting with Sather:
The team cozies up to the local media ensuring that they get scoops, privileges and insider info. In return, the media (for the most part) works as an extension of the team and a de facto propaganda department. The fact that Edmonton is a depressing hell-hole with few redeeming qualities means that the locals will hold onto any tidbit of civic pride they can, as opposed to other places that have more going on than their local sports team (the Sask Roughriders have a similar phenomenon).

In the 80's the local sports teams were quite successful so that become the shining beacon of pride for the local unwashed yokels including the hubris of 'officially' referring to their Soviet-style wasteland as the 'City of Champions'. The locals jumped into the cesspool of propaganda head-first and have been doing laps in their own filth for the last 40+ years. This has created more incentive for the the local media to be the cow-towing clowns they are, and has also spawned a couple generations of media yes-men for the Oilers to take advantage of.

There is no question in my mind that this media narrative of "taking less to win in Edmonton" is absolutely orchestrated by the team and the bobble-head media just follows along. We've see it multiple times how players get celebrated as gods, pressured to stay for less only to be vilified on their way out as a warning to other players.

The whole city and team needs an asteroid-sized enema.

So true. They're actually quite effective at driving the narrative by inviting the media into their "exclusive" club. Similar to the players "taking less to win in Edmonton" the journalists are asked to "use less journalistic integrity to win in Edmonton".