Israel declares war on Hamas

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Bagor

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...le-booby-traps

If Hamas set up bomb traps, IDF would rather let it kill Palestinians, than themselves. Did you expect Israelis to get themselves blown up on those traps?

I sometimes feel like you genuinely have no idea what wars are like. Good for you, I guess.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

First off, I never personally did anything, this was far in the past when people didn't know better. Israel is still murdering people daily to take their land, despite that they should know better. And you cheer them on and give them legitimacy. You PERSONALLY have made yourself responsible for the current monstrous acts taking place, so you can shove any direct comparison directly up your ass. I am not like you, and will never be like you. I certainly wouldn't move form one country illegally murdering innocent people and taking land to another country illegally murdering people and taking land, and pretend I'm sitting on some moral high ground where I finger wag terrible things that happened elsewhere hundreds of years ago as some sick justification for continuing to do it today.

Second, you seem to have zero understanding of Canada, indigenous relations, or reconciliation. If you did, you might realize how ridiculous the comparison is. I'd try to help you understand, but it's a total waste of time at this point. Monsters can't comprehend, it seems.

By "you" I mean Canadians, as whole. You stole the land, murdered indigenous people, and are still living on that land. The point, however, is that you are the living proof, that it is perfectly possible to achieve a sustainable peace and build a solid state after that.


I love how you admitted that you are unable to explain the difference though.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You are part of this war, encouraging it. Your lack of humanity is pretty valid target.

Encouraging this war?? I say that the war is hell in every other post. I want Hamas to stop it immediately and give up theur goals of destroying Israel. I say as much every day.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

First off, I never personally did anything, this was far in the past when people didn't know better. Israel is still murdering people daily to take their land, despite that they should know better. And you cheer them on and give them legitimacy. You PERSONALLY have made yourself responsible for the current monstrous acts taking place, so you can shove any direct comparison directly up your ass. I am not like you, and will never be like you. I certainly wouldn't move form one country illegally murdering innocent people and taking land to another country illegally murdering people and taking land, and pretend I'm sitting on some moral high ground where I finger wag terrible things that happened elsewhere hundreds of years ago as some sick justification for continuing to do it today.

Second, you seem to have zero understanding of Canada, indigenous relations, or reconciliation. If you did, you might realize how ridiculous the comparison is. I'd try to help you understand, but it's a total waste of time at this point. Monsters can't comprehend, it seems.

Here you say that Ukrainians have every right to bomb Russian civilians. Which exactly is murdering innocent people. Including my then-two years old son. You literally said that they have a right to kill my two years old son.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=5625

[Pointman]

To sum it up, this is how you are inconsistent:

Russia tried to destroy Ukraine, Ukraine retaliates, you say that Ukrainians have every right to blow Russian civilians at train stations, including little children.

Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel, Israel retaliates, you say that Israel has no right to kill innocent people and instead should go great lengths to protect them

Me:

Russia tries to destroy Ukraine. I say that this is horrible, nobody has a right to kill anyone, be it soldier or a child. I say that Russia should stop immediately and I actually leave the country as a protest.

Palestinians try to destroy Israel. I say that this is horrible, nobody has a right to kill anyone, be it a soldier or a child, Palestinians should stop immediately.


See, I am consistent and I am doing things, not just saying. You only talk, and inconsistent at that.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Israel is without a doubt a terrorist state. Every single Israeli soldier is a terrorist.

Just watched a video of an injured palestinian tied to the hood of an Israeli vehicle being paraded around. Scumbags, every single one of them.

Every link you posted before ended up being busted, so you gave up on trying to link any proof.

[Pointman]

Nm

[Language]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Israel is without a doubt a terrorist state. Every single Israeli soldier is a terrorist.

Just watched a video of an injured palestinian tied to the hood of an Israeli vehicle being paraded around. Scumbags, every single one of them.

You’ve lost the plot, dude. I think it’s time you stopped posting for a while.


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[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pointman

If Hamas set up bomb traps, IDF would rather let it kill Palestinians, than themselves. Did you expect Israelis to get themselves blown up on those traps?

I sometimes feel like you genuinely have no idea what wars are like. Good for you, I guess.

Educate us all then Mr war protester.

It's perfectly acceptable in combat situations for soldiers to take civilians, dress them up as soldiers, tape their hands together, strap a camera to them and send them in to draw fire and be booby trap fodder?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Language

You’ve lost the plot, dude. I think it’s time you stopped posting for a while.


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I'm sorry you support terrorism. I don't support the Hamas terrorists or the Israeli terrorists. I wish you could say the same.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Russia tries to destroy Ukraine. I say that this is horrible, nobody has a right to kill anyone, be it soldier or a child. I say that Russia should stop immediately and I actually leave the country as a protest.

You didn't leave the country as a protest stop repeating this lie. If you were protesting war crimes and had any morals you'd leave israel as well but you don't so stop pretending you left as some sort of protest.

You've said some horrible awful things like "war is hell" when justifying the genocide of Palestinians so please don't stand on some moral high ground.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pointman

To sum it up, this is how you are inconsistent:

Blow Palestinian children to bits? Meh. It's war. This is what happens to you.

Originally Posted by Pointman

War is hell. When you try to destroy a legit state by military force, this is what may happen to you.

Ukraine attacking Russia. You can't do that!

Originally Posted by Pointman

No they don't. There's no such thing as a right to kill people. If Ukranian bombs will start to fall on the head of my two years old, do you expect me to say "Too bad, my son, it's a well-deserved punishment, our troops shouldn't have committed all those crimes". Of course not.

As has already been pointed out. Here's why you can't even recognize your own inconsistency. Since that you've even took a step further trying to defend and justify the use of Palestinian civilians as some sort of bomb disposal fodder.

Originally Posted by ThePrince

This isn’t surprising when you understand that these aren’t statements he would look at as hypocritical. When you believe that an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian life, these statements are totally consistent.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

You didn't leave the country as a protest stop repeating this lie. If you were protesting war crimes and had any morals you'd leave israel as well but you don't so stop pretending you left as some sort of protest.

You've said some horrible awful things like "war is hell" when justifying the genocide of Palestinians so please don't stand on some moral high ground.

You are arguably the only poster constantly blaming others for lying, while it is always you who is caught lying. I guess people always tend to blame others for things they are guilty of. I was protesting things, that Israel doesn't do. In fact, Israel is like Ukraine, not like Russia. So I'm perfectly consistent here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Pointman

You are arguably the only poster constantly blaming others for lying, while it is always you who is caught lying. I guess people always tend to blame others for things they are guilty of. I was protesting things, that Israel doesn't do. In fact, Israel is like Ukraine, not like Russia. So I'm perfectly consistent here.

You can stop pretending. Pretty much everyone has seen enough of your views to know the only consistency is your self preservation and desire to see people you view as lesser than yourself killed to teach them a lesson.

You have no moral ground to stand on so just give it up and go back to calling democracy overrated and Putin the best leader in the world.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Blow Palestinian children to bits? Meh. It's war. This is what happens to you.

Ukraine attacking Russia. You can't do that!

War is a fight. Not a hockey game played by some rules. There's no such thing as a "right to kill", hence there's no such thing as "obligation to accept getting yourself killed since the opponent has a right to kill you". What I said, is that if Ukrainians will try to kill my son, I would fight them, even if the war they fight is fair, and the war that Russia fights is not. You would be absolute hypocrite if you say you would act differently.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You can stop pretending. Pretty much everyone has seen enough of your views to know the only consistency is your self preservation and desire to see people you view as lesser than yourself killed to teach them a lesson.

You have no moral ground to stand on so just give it up and go back to calling democracy overrated and Putin the best leader in the world.

How about you admitting you lied when you said that I was Putin's bootlicker until I got in danger of being drafted? Until you admit and apologize, you have no moral ground to talk down to me.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Educate us all then Mr war protester.

It's perfectly acceptable in combat situations for soldiers to take civilians, dress them up as soldiers, tape their hands together, strap a camera to them and send them in to draw fire and be booby trap fodder?

You keep making the same fundamental error. You believe that the war should be fought by some rules and you judge adversaries by how strictly they follow the rules. As if you are watching a hockey game and you like teams that play clean and dislike teams that play dirty.

Reality is that a war is a fight without rules. One should pick sides based on goals of adversaries, rather than on how clean do they conduct the war.

Back to your question, there's no such things as "acceptable" and "not acceptable" in wars. Wars themselves are not acceptable. Yet, once it's on you do whatever it takes to win. If it means, that you must take civilians and let them clean up the traps set up by Hamas - go for it.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

This isn’t surprising when you understand that these aren’t statements he would look at as hypocritical. When you believe that an Israeli life is more valuable than a Palestinian life, these statements are totally consistent.

At this point, he’s not even pretending - he’s openly saying that all we’re seeing is modern colonization at play, and it’s Israel’s “white man’s burden” to tame the “savages” that are Palestinians.

I’m not sure why people keep engaging with someone who would clearly rather see all Palestinians wiped off the earth than a peaceful resolution. We are all providing him a platform to espouse his twisted and disgusting views.

You probably need to re-read my posts, because it's the opposite of what I said. Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel since the day the decision to create it was declared. That's the only issue I have with them. I said numerous times and can repeat again, that I want them to let this idea go and leave in peace. In fact, I am the only person in this thread who is directly suffering because of the war and would directly benefit if it's over.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pointman

You keep making the same fundamental error. You believe that the war should be fought by some rules and you judge adversaries by how strictly they follow the rules. As if you are watching a hockey game and you like teams that play clean and dislike teams that play dirty.

Reality is that a war is a fight without rules. One should pick sides based on goals of adversaries, rather than on how clean do they conduct the war.

So basically you're justifying and acknowledging terrorism. Saying that Oct 7 was just a part of an ongoing war?

Originally Posted by Pointman

If it means, that you must take civilians and let them clean up the traps set up by Hamas - go for it.

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone saying that using civilians as human shields or cannon fodder is perfectly fine.

But then again you don't consider Palestinian lives equal to others.

[Scroopy Noopers]

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