[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So Stan could have done something, but did nothing and left this open for someone else to take care of? Sounds familiar.

Not only that, but Jackson could have done something too but signed some other older guys instead. Great asset management. The damage control statements leaked to the media (most of them sounding made up) are hilarious.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Plus the 2 year term is safe for St. Louis but hard to match for the Oilers.

I'm sure there's a critic on this site who will find a flaw in what the Blues did. But at this point it looks like they squeezed as many pressure points as they could in making these while keeping themselves somewhat protected.

I thought the Habs offersheet on Aho was just stupid, had no chance of working, and Carolina easily outsmarted them with their retaliation. The one the Flyers did on Weber was at least was creative even if it didn't work, and there was merit in the one they hit Kesler with too. But all the others were either pointless or bad save the Blues retaliation on Gillis for his Backes one. This work by the Blues looks to be pretty astute.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Not only that, but Jackson could have done something too but signed some other older guys instead. Great asset management. The damage control statements leaked to the media (most of them sounding made up) are hilarious.

Could have Broberg + Holloway for the same AAV (or less) as any one of Henrique, Skinner, or Arvidsson.

Not dealing with their RFAs before signing those 3 is a bit of a head scratcher.

Oilers thought they could lowball / squeeze them and not really have a Offer Sheet risk, but Blues called their bluff.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I'm sure there's a critic on this site who will find a flaw in what the Blues did. But at this point it looks like they squeezed as many pressure points as they could in making these while keeping themselves somewhat protected.

I thought the Habs offersheet on Aho was just stupid, had no chance of working, and Carolina easily outsmarted them with their retaliation.

I think the Hurricanes came out worse in that exchange than the Habs. The only flaw is that the Blues overpaid for crappy Oilers prospects imo. It will be funnier if they pop in St Louis though

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by SemicolonD

Hfboards now saying this was the plan all along and that the Oilers knew they'd be losing Broberg & Holloway

I'm sure Broberg will go back to being a top 4 guy and the future succesor of Ekholm if Stan matches. Poor guy, career hanging by a thread.

[Inferno]

I see Oilers fans throwing out the loyalty card on Twitter.

"How dare they sign offer sheets instead of working out a deal with the team that drafted and developed them".

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol right? How many pro athletes get put on waiting lists. You never hear that

Having previously worked at a top tier hospital for a decade, I can assure you the people in line for surgery have wealth that is multiple orders of magnitude more than what the Oilers or Kane have at their disposal.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Could have Broberg + Holloway for the same AAV (or less) as any one of Henrique, Skinner, or Arvidsson.

Not dealing with their RFAs before signing those 3 is a bit of a head scratcher.

Oilers thought they could lowball / squeeze them and not really have a Offer Sheet risk, but Blues called their bluff.

The thing is that Skinner, Henrique, and Arvidsson are substantially better players than Broberg and Holloway.

I am kind of surprised Broberg was valued that highly around the league that a team wanted to throw that kind of money at him. The Holloway contract is only a little high in comparison. Next year when he has arb rights, the Oilers would probably have been looking at paying him $2+ million cap hit with arbitration looming anyway.

$4.5 for Broberg seems pretty far out of line. He was playing 3rd paring minutes in the playoffs and his underlying numbers weren't great. He shot 33% in the playoffs. Might have been a little lucky on his scoring numbers there. He hasn't been really developing much season over season either. Pretty even chance he's never worth $4.5 million.

I guess there is a chance that the Oilers trade Ceci/Kulak and LTIR Kane to keep both Holloway and Broberg, but the prudent move would be to match Holloway, let Broberg go for a second and use that pick as part of a package to bring in another top 4 guy at the deadline.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Having previously worked at a top tier hospital for a decade, I can assure you the people in line for surgery have wealth that is multiple orders of magnitude more than what the Oilers or Kane have at their disposal.

The doctor doing surgery on Kane also wants all the money up front.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Having previously worked at a top tier hospital for a decade, I can assure you the people in line for surgery have wealth that is multiple orders of magnitude more than what the Oilers or Kane have at their disposal.

I believe that. And yet I don't recall hearing about many pro athletes that don't get their needed surgeries right away. Unless they choose to put it off, and even then its on their schedule.

I guess my point is I think the Oilers are full of it and if Kane needs the surgery whoever he wants to do it will be available to him.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I believe that. And yet I don't recall hearing about many pro athletes that don't get their needed surgeries right away. Unless they choose to put it off, and even then its on their schedule.

Could be insisting on a specific surgeon that has other high-profile clients in line and is on a vacay until then or something.

[sketchyt]

It's always hilarious to me that when they're an Oiler, they have all the potential in the world and are worth their weight in gold.

The MINUTE they're gone (in this case, not yet) they become third pairing guys, have bad stats, and aren't as good as others.

If the Oilers match one or both of these contracts, they will again be elevated to blue chip status (that should be paid under-market). LOL.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Coach

Could be insisting on a specific surgeon that has other high-profile clients in line and is on a vacay until then or something.

Let's be honest here.. If this were McDavid or Draisaitl instead of Kane the surgery would have happened immediately following the season and they would be on track to start the year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Let's be honest here.. If this were McDavid or Draisaitl instead of Kane the surgery would have happened immediately following the season and they would be on track to start the year.

What happened to McDavid was injured and will require surgery??? Draisaitl broken ribs and fingers. No surgery for either.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The thing is that Skinner, Henrique, and Arvidsson are substantially better players than Broberg and Holloway.

I am kind of surprised Broberg was valued that highly around the league that a team wanted to throw that kind of money at him. The Holloway contract is only a little high in comparison. Next year when he has arb rights, the Oilers would probably have been looking at paying him $2+ million cap hit with arbitration looming anyway.

$4.5 for Broberg seems pretty far out of line. He was playing 3rd paring minutes in the playoffs and his underlying numbers weren't great. He shot 33% in the playoffs. Might have been a little lucky on his scoring numbers there. He hasn't been really developing much season over season either. Pretty even chance he's never worth $4.5 million.

I guess there is a chance that the Oilers trade Ceci/Kulak and LTIR Kane to keep both Holloway and Broberg, but the prudent move would be to match Holloway, let Broberg go for a second and use that pick as part of a package to bring in another top 4 guy at the deadline.

Henrique, Skinner and arvidsson aren't substantially better than anyone. They're aging players who lost their roles to better, healthier and younger players on bad teams and found their last roles on a team with a void in top 6 wingers.

That being said, you're right that the only 2 Oiler prospects to establish themselves on the team the last couple years are straight trash and aren't worth the money. Best case scenario is you let them both go as they weren't set to make much of an impact.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Henrique, Skinner and arvidsson aren't substantially better than anyone. They're aging players who lost their roles to better, healthier and younger players on bad teams and found their last roles on a team with a void in top 6 wingers.

That being said, you're right that the only 2 Oiler prospects to establish themselves on the team the last couple years are straight trash and aren't worth the money. Best case scenario is you let them both go as they weren't set to make much of an impact.

They are going to match the offer sheets, and then get out of Ceci and ride the LTIR of Kane. There is a real opportunity to fleece the Oilers on Ceci, I hope its the Flames that capitalize.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Having previously worked at a top tier hospital for a decade, I can assure you the people in line for surgery have wealth that is multiple orders of magnitude more than what the Oilers or Kane have at their disposal.

True but the line isn't that long at private facilities and there are numerous doctors that can do a good hip job. IF it's actually needed.

This discussion about "what doctor would perform the surgery" is just dithering at best. If they were serious about it, the surgery would have been done by now. It's been two months.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The thing is that Skinner, Henrique, and Arvidsson are substantially better players than Broberg and Holloway.

A. None of those three are defencemen (how the Oilers decided to go for offensive forwards Skinner and Arviddson over an experienced Dman is beyond me).

B. Their ages are 32, 34 and 31 repectively (on top of having everyone else except McDavid and Draisaitl over 30). Holloway and James Hamblin were the only forwards under 28. It's similar on D. Younger Dmen are Bouchard and no one else aside from Broberg. And aside from 34 year old Ekholm and "hole in game" Bouchard, their D sucks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Staples saying Armstrong wouldn't have done this to Holland since they are golfing buddies.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

They are going to match the offer sheets, and then get out of Ceci and ride the LTIR of Kane. There is a real opportunity to fleece the Oilers on Ceci, I hope its the Flames that capitalize.

I'm here for it. Dumbest move they could make at this point.