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I post X video clips or YouTube video of what people said or did. I could care less who posted it.
It's about what the video shows or describes with the least amount of media/user spin on it.
Again, it's hard to find somewhat somewhat neutral stuff to share without the Right or Left putting their spin on it. https://ground.news is actually a decent site to find news, and know if it's coming from a Right, Left, or Neutral leaning writer.
What someone said or did doesn't automatically make it true. Trump is a habitual liar and yet his base takes his words as the truth without doing any fact checking. You took Trumps words that Harris was taking policies from Trump as the truth when in fact a search on behalf proved they weren't his ideas to begin with.
Also when people refuted your claims that Trump is not racist, you don't address the specific points they raised. Instead you go and post more videos and tweets to support your agenda.
Finally, put some spoiler tags around your multiple video's and tweets so we don't have to scroll through half the tread to get to the next post.
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I think it’s more disbelief that somebody can be so obtuse. so we try and help by pointing out the basic logical fallacies in his posts.
It’s the same instinct where I would help somebody at the grocery reach the top shelf.
But quickly you realize either fireitup can’t be helped or is purposefully ignorant.
So you put him on ignore
I understand the instinct. But if you've seen that same person be approached by people offering assistance and that person just kept shouting "I'm tall enough!! It's a conspiracy! The shelves are false!" while very clearly not being tall enough, would you also feel necessary to try to convince them they need a stool?
They either just want to cause s*** or they require some sort of professional intervention. They're not going just watch a John Oliver video and have their worldview changed.
On the subject of Project 2025, the early reads of Kevin Roberts' upcoming (but postponed) book are really telling of the mindset behind it. It's a really alarming worldview that is almost certainly out of step with the vast majority of Americans, and would be absolutely terrifying if implemented. This is them saying the quiet part out-loud, and is potentially a major misstep. I'd fully expect the whole manuscript to be leaked publicly before the election.
(New Republic is a left-wing biased but mostly accurate media source, and this article does lean heavily into partisan opinion, but it is written by someone who has actually read the book.)
There's not really any way for Trump to disavow this, regardless of what he says. This is the president of the Heritage Foundation, and Heritage Foundation members have made up a huge amount of Trump's first administration, his appointees, and his current campaign team, and he only attempted to disavow it once it became clear how unpopular it was. But it's not enough to disavow his the project as a whole when he's so deeply connected to the personnel behind it. A legitimate disavowal would involve not simply pleading ignorance, but instead demonstrating that he understands the ideas involved in Project 2025, and why they are dangerous.
So hitting him on Project 2025 isn't simply about whether its stated policy matches Trump's policy. It's about his lack of ability to talk about policy in any sort of nuanced way; to call into question his ability to make good personnel choices (from VP to junior staffers to judges); and to point to Project 2025 as a result of an emboldened far-right, and Trump's role in emboldening it.
So yeah, call every policy he has part of Project 2025, and bring this movement out into the bright light; it's not disingenuous to do so. This is a line of attack that is entirely of Trump's own making, that hits at several of his core flaws.
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You're so far removed from reality, what colour is the water where you're from? Orange?
Trump has you completely and utterly duped.
I can same the exact same thing to many of you.
All I have to do is replace "Trump" with "the left wing media". We can go back and forth on issues that don't effect peoples day to day life, but none of it really matters. The real question is, do Democrat or Republican policies make the lives better for citizens? While neither are perfect, I think overall, the conservative policies do.
This video explains what happens when Republicans aren’t standing in the way of Democrats. The Democrats control all the levers of power in these states. They run the government, and this is the result.
Just to touch on some previous posts. The estate for Isaac Hayes and his son have sent a cease and desist/notice to sue to trump for his continued use of the song Hold on Im Coming.
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I can same the exact same thing to many of you.
All I have to do is replace "Trump" with "the left wing media". Now we can go back and forth on issues that don't effect peoples day to day life, but none of it really matters. The real question is, do Democrat or Republican policies make the lives better for citizens? While neither are perfect, I think overall, the conservative policies do.
Well, rich white male citizens
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I can same the exact same thing to many of you.
All I have to do is replace "Trump" with "the left wing media". Now we can go back and forth on issues that don't effect peoples day to day life, but none of it really matters. The real question is, do Democrat or Republican policies make the lives better for citizens? While neither are perfect, I think overall, the conservative policies do.
So no rebuttal then on Trump lying about his involvement in Project 2025?
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I've got a question for FireItUp, or anyone else that it applies too as well
Do you actually support Trump, as in listening to him talk and thinking to yourself "Yup, this is the guy we need"? Or is it simply a case of hating the Democrats so much and this being the other option?
Most of my American friends who voted for Trump his first time around fell into the latter category, but almost all of them changed their tune after his unhinged rant when he lost the election, then the rest changed their minds after Jan 6th
The issue of whose policies make peoples' lives better at the state level has been put front and center just last week, by the Democrats. They're essentially saying, Tim Walz runs Minnesota - how's that working out for Minnesota? Well, it's a top 5 state for business, has paid family leave, ensures kids get breakfast and lunch so they go to class full, legislated in abortion rights, increased union rights, paid sick leave, sunk a billion dollars into affordable housing while running a budget surplus of 3.7 billion this year.
And the biggest criticism of his track record so far? "He put tampons in school bathrooms!" That says a lot.
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This video explains what happens when Republicans aren’t standing in the way of Democrats. The Democrats control all the levers of power in these states. They run the government, and this is the result.
That's some weak sauce there. Outside of taxation, which is way more complex than presented, the other two examples are municipal or county issues, which are not usually positions where party affiliation is a concern. Context really matters in these things, and while the creator did his best to bring attention to issues, he really missed the mark because he failed to explain those important details. Kind of like decrying, "Gas prices are so high, why didn't the Govenor lower gas prices?" Because they have no control over those decisions nor ability to assert control. The O&G cartels determine the price and flow of product. Context. It's not just replacing glasses.
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I can same the exact same thing to many of you.
Some of here wouldn't support a convicted Felon or a person who was found guilty of sexually assaulting EJ Carrol.
Back in 2016 Trump said Hilary Clinton has no right to running for the Presidency. Yet today we have a convicted Felon running for office. I guess it's different for Trump when he's running for office
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“If she were to win this election it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis,” Trump said in Reno. “In that situation we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt.”
After pausing to listen to a chorus of boos from the crowd, Trump continued:
“We need a government that can work and work well from day one for the American people. That will be impossible with Hillary Clinton, the prime suspect in a massive far-reaching criminal investigation. Her current scandals and controversies will continue throughout her presidency and will make it virtually impossible for her to govern or lead our country.”
In his North Carolina stump speech, Trump said a president under indictment “would cripple the operations of our government.”
“She has no right to be running, you know that. No right,” Trump said to sustained cheers from his supporters.
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I've got a question for FireItUp, or anyone else that it applies too as well
Do you actually support Trump, as in listening to him talk and thinking to yourself "Yup, this is the guy we need"? Or is it simply a case of hating the Democrats so much and this being the other option?
Most of my American friends who voted for Trump his first time around fell into the latter category, but almost all of them changed their tune after his unhinged rant when he lost the election, then the rest changed their minds after Jan 6th
My brother lives in Northern Minnesota and said a lot of his friends and neighbors have always voted Republican no matter who is running. At the same time my brother was once a Republican himself but that changed when Trump ran for office in 2016 and again 2020. He is now a Democrat because he feels the extremists like MAGA have taken over the party and it's no longer the party he used to support.
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Some of here wouldn't support a convicted Felon or a person who was found guilty of sexually assaulting EJ Carrol.
Because he's a felon Trump couldn't get a job at 99% of the USA's company's but yet amazingly the crazy's would vote him in for the top job in the country.
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She once stormed the Capitol for Trump. Now, she’ll be supporting Kamala Harris in November
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“I didn't realize that brainwashing was happening with Trump in 2016…this is how they would talk to me. ‘Pam, you know, the Democrats…are trying to take over. They're getting more aggressive.’ I tend to believe them. You know, I wasn't doing my own research.”
Hemphill said that Trump’s aggressive rhetoric on the border appealed to her at the time because he “had us (believing) that immigrants were criminals and out to take over our nation.” Trump called immigrants from Mexico “rapists” in 2015 and would use words such as "killer," "invasion" and "alien" in his rallies as a way to stoke fear among his supporters and present himself as the prime candidate to solve the border issue.
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“It’s like a scar that I have to carry for the rest of my life…it's gonna be that shame(ful) feeling," she said. "It's not like I knew I was breaking the law, and I broke it anyway. However, I still was a part of that craziness, that cult. So it's like something I can't brush off.”
She said coming across facts by researchers helped her gradually drift apart from the MAGA group. Serving time in prison made Hemphill also rethink “who Trump really was” and the misinformation he spread surrounding the 2020 election, she said, to the point where she lost all support for him.
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Hemphill also called out Trump last year after he shared a post on Truth Social criticizing her sentencing as unfair.
“Please don’t be using me for anything,” she wrote in a tweet directed at Trump. “I’m not a victim of Jan6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty!”
