2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by blankall

Salary cap.

Jeannot signed a 2 year $2.665/year contract, and I'd say he plays a much more competitive game than Anderson. Anderson got paid big time for his 27 goal season and then the okay season he had his first year in Montreal. Anderson was a UFA and it was gamble that the Habs took based on Anderson's size and pedigree. It never worked out, and now Anderson gets paid twice what Jeannot does.

If Montreal is willing to retain, then Anderson would absolutely find takers. Without retention, Anderson has negative value.

Yes, if they retained 50% to get the salary the same as Jeanott’s they can probably find a taker for similar package as Jeanott. Might be a little less because Jeanott is a better player and Anderson has more years left on his contract. Jeanott got traded for a

Something like Anderson (50% retained) for a 4th round pick would be a fair trade.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Jeannot trade was laughed at, and he is a proven bum as well.

Tampa won when they traded for Coleman and Goodrow, 2 players who can play with that edge, speed and grind it out.

[HighLifeMan]

I think the majority of you are sleeping on Pospisil's skill level, and smarts. He certainly has more skill than Bouma and Hathaway.

I don't think it's ridiculous to think that Pospisil could reach 45-50 points this upcoming year - although of course that would require him to stay healthy.

You can't just go around "selling high" on every asset. Martin is clearly a guy that Conroy has long term plans for moving forward and I don't think he has any willingness to move him.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yes, if they retained 50% to get the salary the same as Jeanott’s they can probably find a taker for similar package as Jeanott. Might be a little less because Jeanott is a better player and Anderson has more years left on his contract. Jeanott got traded for a

Something like Anderson (50% retained) for a 4th round pick would be a fair trade.

Anderson at 50% has solid value. I get where people here are coming from, asking to take on Anderson so that we can flip him, retained, for profit. I don't see the owners willing to retain for 3 years. That'd be $6-7 million. This year, in particular, where his real salary is $7 million would be a tough sell.

[dammage79]

Pospisil definitely has upside. Is it enough to prevent moving him in a trade that makes the team better when the timing presents itself? No.

TBH, his noggin scares the bejeesus out of me. IMO, the man has a short fuse on his career. Not from a talent perspective but from a long term health perspective.... Hes Ferland 2.0

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pospisil is a good player with a good skill set. The issue with him is not just his concussion issues, but he does a lot of dumb things on the ice.

He has to play on the edge, but he often crosses the line. He needs to reign that in.

[dammage79]

At the end of the day, if the flames keep him or move him, im okay with either scenario. Hes not a foundational piece to be wringing my hands over.

Again with the Ferland comps, I remember the Lindholm trade and how many were miffed Ferland was moved in the deal. Turned out to be the right move. Trust Conny.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

At the end of the day, if the flames keep him or move him, im okay with either scenario. Hes not a foundational piece to be wringing my hands over.

Yup.

Most of these players probably wont be here when we make the playoffs.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by blankall

Salary cap.

Jeannot signed a 2 year $2.665/year contract, and I'd say he plays a much more competitive game than Anderson. Anderson got paid big time for his 27 goal season and then the okay season he had his first year in Montreal. Anderson was a UFA and it was gamble that the Habs took based on Anderson's size and pedigree. It never worked out, and now Anderson gets paid twice what Jeannot does.

If Montreal is willing to retain, then Anderson would absolutely find takers. Without retention, Anderson has negative value.

My point was mainly to illustrate that players of that ilk are still in demand, but to your point- I think TB aquired Jeannot with the belief that he could return to 25-goal form. When it was apparent that he wasn’t going to regain his scoring touch, they sold him to LA for a 2nd and a 4th. Salary Cap was only part of the cost to bring him aboard.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sandman

My point was mainly to illustrate that players of that ilk are still in demand, but to your point- I think TB aquired Jeannot with the belief that he could return to 25-goal form. When it was apparent that he wasn’t going to regain his scoring touch, they sold him to LA for a 2nd and a 4th. Salary Cap was only part of the cost to bring him aboard.

That 24 goal season looks like a outlier for him.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pospisil definitely has upside. Is it enough to prevent moving him in a trade that makes the team better when the timing presents itself? No.

TBH, his noggin scares the bejeesus out of me. IMO, the man has a short fuse on his career. Not from a talent perspective but from a long term health perspective.... Hes Ferland 2.0

I agree with everyone that has concussion concerns in regards to Pospisil, and that may be a valid reason to move him. I think he’s been told to refrain from fighting though, as I’m sure he would love to drop the gloves every other game if he had his way, lol….

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That 24 goal season looks like a outlier for him.

Oh yeah, no doubt it was. There’s nothing much in his past beforehand that foretold of a player who could score with any regularity.

[Vinny01]

Here is how I see things for the Flames. Essentially I think they are done for the summer with the exception of being able to get a guy like Kakko who is young and a former high pick looking for a change of scenery or they may pull off a cap munching deal that includes some futures but for the most part the team building is done.

This year the focus should be on the tank and really seeing what the org has in the prospects Conroy “inherited” in the sense that he wasn’t GM when drafted. The top 4 of Zary, Wolf, Coronato, Pelletier should be given every opportunity to prove they belong where guys like Porier, Klapka, and others aim to get some games in. In terms of longer term prospects who hopefully get a look Honzek and Brzustewicz would be the guys to start on the Wranglers and hope push for games after the deadline.

Selling off Kuzmenko, Mantha, Andersson should be the goals and positioning the team with a top 5 pick next year where they hopefully open the 2025/26 season with Parekh, and the 25 top 10 pick making the team and the fans can get more excited about the future. No need to rush anyone to the lineup and a couple years can go without any urgency to get players on the roster and to try and accelerate winning

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by blankall

Anderson at 50% has solid value. I get where people here are coming from, asking to take on Anderson so that we can flip him, retained, for profit. I don't see the owners willing to retain for 3 years. That'd be $6-7 million. This year, in particular, where his real salary is $7 million would be a tough sell.

I would say that Jeanott is a slightly better player but either way Jeanott at a slightly lower cap hit and less years that he was signed for got a 2nd and a 4th. I would say Anderson at 50% would get no more than that.

[mile]

Everything Conroy has said about Pospisil indicates he’s a part of the plan here. He’s not going anywhere. IMO he can bring a lot of what Bennett has brought to the Panthers the last few years. He’s going to be an important guy to have around for Honzek’s development too

Injuries are a concern but I think he knows he needs to protect himself on the ice.

[CliffFletcher]

It’s good for team culture when you have guys come up through the minors and break into the league together. It’s also good when you have players on the roster who don’t have a high draft pedigree but earn a spot through hard work and sticking with it. It’s also good to have players who bring emotion and intensity every night.

Pospisil checks all those boxes. And that’s not even getting into his effectiveness on the ice. He might not be a core piece going forward, but he’s going to be a big part of the culture.

You can’t treat every player on the roster over the age of 21 as an asset that can be swapped out for a mercenary or cap dump. Not unless you want to totally sewer the morale and culture of the team.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s good for team culture when you have guys come up through the minors and break into the league together. It’s also good when you have players on the roster who don’t have a high draft pedigree but earn a spot through hard work and sticking with it. It’s also good to have players who bring emotion and intensity every night.

Pospisil checks all those boxes. And that’s not even getting into his effectiveness on the ice. He might not be a core piece going forward, but he’s going to be a big part of the culture.

You can’t treat every player on the roster over the age of 21 as an asset that can be swapped out for a mercenary or cap dump. Not unless you want to totally sewer the morale and culture of the team.

Exactly the reason I wish the Flames had held onto Hathaway. The guy carved out a solid career with hard work

[Ped]

Tampa was not only hoping Jeannot could be that guy, but they were also looking at his contract as a fixed cap hit that they knew. It was the same thing with the Hagel acquisition.


Hagel turned out to be a great trade. Jeannot was a disaster with the price paid, but the intent was pretty clear.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I think the majority of you are sleeping on Pospisil's skill level, and smarts.

I think the others are overselling them.

Pospisil is a depth player... a darn good one... but a depth player none the less. And that's ok, we need depth players too (especially entertaining ones these days), but if a move comes along that will meaningfully move the team forward and Pospisil is a required element I don't think twice about it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ped

Tampa was not only hoping Jeannot could be that guy, but they were also looking at his contract as a fixed cap hit that they knew. It was the same thing with the Hagel acquisition.


Hagel turned out to be a great trade. Jeannot was a disaster with the price paid, but the intent was pretty clear.

Hagel was younger and at least had history in his career he had the ability to score.

Jeannot outside of a fluke year never showed it. It was a terrible trade.

They tried to recreate that Coleman/Goodrow impact.