2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Pospisil’s value extends much further than points, his advanced stats paint a picture of a guy who not only tilts the ice in our favour, but affects our win/loss record with his presence (at least in the first half before the firesale). He is by far the best player in that deal, and I would hope we get back more than a has-been and two small, vanilla prospects in return.

The only thing is can he keep up that edge and avoid more concussions and suspensions. In a way he could be similar to Ferland where he's a less heralded prospect who plays with a strong purpose. But over time that style of play is not sustainable and catches up to the player in terms of the toll it takes. When he signed the extension many posters suggested that he might be worth moving when the yield on him reaches a peak.

Treliving did well moving Ferland when his value was high and before the game took its toll on him. I love how Pospisil plays, but if you can trade him in the next two years for value I think you have to think about it. What are the chances he's still this effective 5 years out as this team hopefully emerges from the ashes? But now is not the time to do it, let him show he's back from injury at the World's and let him build on last year.

[Vinny01]

I would take the Andersen contract at full cost for future considerations if it got the Flames back the pick they gave up for Monahan.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I can't see Montreal offering too much...because they have $7.9M of cap space with nobody left to sign...so not like they are in a place of desperation.

But if you're the Flames I have no idea how you're making that trade without your own 1st coming back.

And in terms of Pospisil there is no chance he's being moved. He's training with and mentoring one of our top prospects all offseason and is taking a big role in this team. No way you move him now.

They just extended Slafkovsky to a reasonable 8 year deal. That 5.5m cap Anderson holds is a hinderance to the Habs trying to build around their very young core.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

A 2nd is a win for Kuzmenko, 1 dimensional wingers like him won't fetch you much. If we can get 2 picks for him its huge. The picks mean more for this organization than he does.

We need to get as many draft picks as possible, and try to spread them out and not have them all in 1 draft. Our scouts showed when they get picks they can find good players.

This idea that Kuzmenko is a one dimensional liability is really not grounded in facts.

With the Canucks, AK on the ice for 3.13 GA/60 at 5v5. Second worst forward on the team, but 92nd worst in the league.

With Calgary, his 5v5 GA/60 was 2.55, which was 250th-worst in the league.

So he isn’t Marian Hossa. He’s adequate relative to the offense he brings, which is considerable.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It would be Anderson + 2025 1st (CGY/FLA) + cond 2026 1st (if they don’t make the playoffs, 2nd in 2026 and 2nd in 2027) plus a top 10 prospect of theirs for Duehr and a throwaway prospect.

[442scotty]

If we trade everyone while they’re good value what will we have to watch ? A perpetual rebuild? lol

[Ped]

Are the Canadiens desperate to trade Anderson though? They have cap room this season, they don't have any big players coming up next year, Armia and Dvorak and Savard could all be off the books by next summer, and the dead cap hits for Petry and Allen also expire next summer.


Meanwhile the only potentially key player coming up in the next 3 years is Kirby Dach and Mike Matheson, both of whom have 2 years left on their deal. They have some other guys that could be more expensive if they get better, like Harris and Xhekaj, but it looks like they have cap to spare, depending on who else they go for.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

They just extended Slafkovsky to a reasonable 8 year deal. That 5.5m cap Anderson holds is a hinderance to the Habs trying to build around their very young core.

They have a ton of cap room. They have $7.9M before you consider that Price can be LTIR'd for another $10M or so. Dvorak, Armia, Price, and Matheson all expire in the next two seasons which opens up even more space. Gallagher and Anderson a year later.

Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, and Guhle are all locked up to reasonable deals already.

And they have no real major pieces to re-sign before Anderson / Gallagher expires. Just Dach, Xhekaj, and Hutson which should be very easy to manage. The rest of their top prospects haven't started their ELCs yet, so it's at least 3 years before they require a new contract or a raise.

I have no doubt they'd want to get rid of him, but I also don't think they would have a the urgency required to pay a premium to do so with so much cap space and no real immediate targets.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This idea that Kuzmenko is a one dimensional liability is really not grounded in facts.

With the Canucks, AK on the ice for 3.13 GA/60 at 5v5. Second worst forward on the team, but 92nd worst in the league.

With Calgary, his 5v5 GA/60 was 2.55, which was 250th-worst in the league.

So he isn’t Marian Hossa. He’s adequate relative to the offense he brings, which is considerable.

Kuzmenko is adequate because he’s used very judiciously. On the Flames, he was 16th in the league in offensive zone starts %, and down near the bottom of the league in defensive zone starts. He has to be deployed the right way.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

If we trade everyone while they’re good value what will we have to watch ? A perpetual rebuild? lol

You get a perpetual rebuild when you keep some decent players who (1) prop up your record and hurt your draft picks; and (2) are gone by the time you are good again (instead of being used for additional draft picks).

You certainly get some painful years, that's for sure. But it will shorten the rebuild.

Now, if you draft poorly, the rebuild will continue. But that's true if you purposely keep some decent players or not. But the more draft picks you have, the better your chances are of getting some premium players and getting out of the rebuild.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You get a perpetual rebuild when you keep some decent players who (1) prop up your record and hurt your draft picks; and (2) are gone by the time you are good again (instead of being used for additional draft picks).

You certainly get some painful years, that's for sure. But it will shorten the rebuild.

Now, if you draft poorly, the rebuild will continue. But that's true if you purposely keep some decent players or not. But the more draft picks you have, the better your chances are of getting some premium players and getting out of the rebuild.

You still need guys to mentor the kids. Guys like Goal-man, Backlund, Kadri, and Weegar are perfect in that role. I'd trade any of them if the offer was right, but wouldn't recommend getting rid of all vets just for the sake of tanking.

[Snuffleupagus]

Anderson is 30 years old and had 20pts last year, the guy had one decent season(47pts) in his 10 year career and with three years left @ $5.5m he has massive negative value, frankly he's lazy and has very low hockey IQ.

The idea of trading 24 yr old Pospisil for him better include two 1st round picks + coming our way.

[Royle9]

Absolutely no way we give up the better player in a trade where MTL is desperate to dump.

The assets they’re attaching aren’t even that good, maybe B at best and that’s being generous. Kent Hughes is on the copium lately, he also apparently turned down (allegedly) a Zegras for Mallioux trade.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

I'd take him if Montreal simply canceled the Monahan trade conditions so I don't have to read them and get a headache any more.

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[GioforPM]

Anderson for Huberdeau and Pospisil. Straight up.

[blankall]

Pospisil, despite being much lighter, plays the way that you want Anderson to play, but Pospisil is younger and cheaper.

Pospisil has great value, and Anderson has one of the worst contracts in the league. It's not a trade that happens. Pospisil gets traded for assets, and Anderson is a cap dump that you have to attach assets to.

[monkeyman]

That trade is horrible for the Flames. Only Brad would make that trade. good thing he’s no longer here to make it.

[Finger Cookin]

The Montreal Canadiens are actively exploring options to trade forward Josh Anderson, and recent rumors suggest a potential deal with the Calgary Flames. According to rumors, the Canadiens are offering sweeteners to entice the Flames into accepting Anderson’s hefty contract, valued at $5.5 million annually.

Hopefully Splenda, but I suppose Stevia would do in a pinch.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I can't / won't argue any of the positives about Pospisil stated here. But he's on borrowed time so far as his NHL career goes. Its an awful thought or thing to say, but I believe its true.

If there is a deal on the table that requires the Flames to move him, depending on the return, you do it.

I can't see it either. I feel he'll be the next Ferland.

[CFO]

Josh Anderson for everyone flames previously traded to Montreal.