Enmax fixed vs. floating rates...

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

You think people check their water meters? Don't be ridiculous.

You’re not remotely curious how much water a shower or dishwasher cycle or watering plants uses? Like you check over your Enmax statement, but checking to see if the water meter is spinning when you have nothing running is too boring for you?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You’re not remotely curious how much water a shower or dishwasher cycle or watering plants uses? Like you check over your Enmax statement, but checking to see if the water meter is spinning when you have nothing running is too boring for you?

Again, don't be ridiculous. You've never done that and are only saying this because it's me who said it.

Nobody just checks their water meter because their curious how much a dishwasher uses. My water usage has been consistent for the last 15 years I've owned my home.

According to wormius I should be checking my water meter spinning just in case.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

According to wormius I should be checking my water meter spinning just in case.

If I was plowing through 20m3 on a bill that is absolutely the first thing I'd do.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Again, don't be ridiculous. You've never done that and are only saying this because it's me who said it.

Nobody just checks their water meter because their curious how much a dishwasher uses. My water usage has been consistent for the last 15 years I've owned my home.

According to wormius I should be checking my water meter spinning just in case.

I check it annually whenever I turn on/off the outdoor taps in the spring/fall because I am slightly paranoid. I started checking more regularly when the water restrictions came into place to see if we how we were doing.

Don’t make it sound like this is some onerous chore that needs specialized equipment and hours of your day to complete. You just literally glance at it for a second. It’s faster than washing your legs.

[btimbit]

I've never done it myself but I don't think it's odd that others might

[Wormius]

We also have PolyB, and I feel like there is some chance that the pressuring of the lines each year could be the time is goes.

[Fuzz]

Ya, I wasn't sure if I had a water leak somewhere so I watched my meter to see if it was spinning. this is like, home ownership 101 stuff.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I wasn't sure if I had a water leak somewhere so I watched my meter to see if it was spinning. this is like, home ownership 101 stuff.

Yeah but his comment was I should have known about my leak before getting my bill because of my water meter spinning.


If I haven't had a problem in 15 years I'm not going to be looking at my water meter unless I know there's a problem.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, I wasn't sure if I had a water leak somewhere so I watched my meter to see if it was spinning. this is like, home ownership 101 stuff.

It's about as basic as it gets too.

[Weitz]

I thought it was a silly comment because the post read like you should be checking your water meter every day. If you do that, good on you, but I imagine the amount of people who do is basically zero.

[Wormius]

I mean it’s really not that weird, especially once the water restrictions were in place to look at the meter. I assumed everybody would be naturally curious about their water usage and quantifying some of the main contributors to it.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Aren’t most peoples water meters easy to check? If you have a water leak then it should pretty easy to at least recognize it before discovering it for the first time on your utility bill.

Where I live you can sign up for leak detection. If your meter runs the city will notify you.

Few years back I had a tenant in my rental who told me that the toilet had a leak but that he would fix it. His fix was to turn the water off. His rent included the city utility of water/sewer/garbage. The basement had a flood and the restoration company must have had someone turn the water on to use it because by the time I got the notification and get the water shut off my bill was like double what it normally was. I think the city now has it so you can sign up and get it earlier. But this came in 15 days late for me at that time as they only did it at billing. Caught me off guard because for a few months the reading was normal, than spiked. I'm not someone who crashes into my tenants space every day to read a water meter or follow up on little repairs. So I can see how this catches someone off guard.

[kevman]

I haven't checked my water meter in the 15 years we've been in our home. I haven't checked the electrical or gas meter either.

Enmax checks it and they send me a bill for it.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by kevman

I haven't checked my water meter in the 15 years we've been in our home. I haven't checked the electrical or gas meter either.

Enmax checks it and they send me a bill for it.

I think the difference is you can’t have an electricity leak, if you have a gas leak you will smell it or go boom, but if you have a water issue you may not detect it easily (eg a toilet running) or until you have a big problem. But most people don’t keep an eye on it.

[mrkajz44]

Finally went to look and was please to see our water usage dropped from around 10 - 12 m3 down to 5 m3 for June. Nice to see our efforts produced results.

On fixed vs floating - my current plan of $0.06 per kWh is expiring this month (sad to see this great rate go). Fixed is almost $0.10, and with floating rates hovering lower than that during these high demand months it feels like floating might be the way to go? Anyone have to make that call too and have an opinion?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Finally went to look and was please to see our water usage dropped from around 10 - 12 m3 down to 5 m3 for June. Nice to see our efforts produced results.

On fixed vs floating - my current plan of $0.06 per kWh is expiring this month (sad to see this great rate go). Fixed is almost $0.10, and with floating rates hovering lower than that during these high demand months it feels like floating might be the way to go? Anyone have to make that call too and have an opinion?

You can look at forecasts to try and inform yourself, and watch them monthly. In the short term you might be saving 1.5 cents per kwh a month, but you don't want to get caught up if it spikes one month. I don't see electricity demand doing anything but grow and from 10 cents there isn't much chance to go down, but a lot of room to go up. Depending on usage that 1.5 cents could be $15 to 25 a month if you use 1000 to 1650 per month. That said if you are spending an hour doing this a month...better off to fix and spend your time working since most cp folk who are not me make 5 times that an hour.

[Jimmy Stang]

I have been tasked with monitoring my father-in-law's energy rates. I just changed his electricity so he's locked in at 9.79, which is an improvement over the 11.xx he was on previously. That one was easy. I will monitor every month or two and lock him in again if rates go down.

Gas, on the other hand, is a bit trickier. He's on floating, which is currently lower than fixed. And for the past year, with the exception of January 2024, floating was cheaper than fixed. Even when you factor in the approx $1 extra "fee for some reason" per GJ that you play on floating.

Aside from his larger-than-normal January 2024 bill, I think that he's done OK for the past year by being on floating.

What's the vibe heading into this winter regarding natural gas prices?

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I have been tasked with monitoring my father-in-law's energy rates. I just changed his electricity so he's locked in at 9.79, which is an improvement over the 11.xx he was on previously. That one was easy. I will monitor every month or two and lock him in again if rates go down.

Gas, on the other hand, is a bit trickier. He's on floating, which is currently lower than fixed. And for the past year, with the exception of January 2024, floating was cheaper than fixed. Even when you factor in the approx $1 extra "fee for some reason" per GJ that you play on floating.

Aside from his larger-than-normal January 2024 bill, I think that he's done OK for the past year by being on floating.

What's the vibe heading into this winter regarding natural gas prices?

Major oversupply, let it float

[RichieRich]

Enmax renewal coming up very soon.
Currently paying: 6.59¢/kWh fixed; $4.09/GJ fixed
Current offered: 9.79¢/kWh​3-Year Fixed (or 10.49c/kWh for 5yrs) ; Floating Gas at + $1.23​/GJ Transaction Fee *OR* $4.59/GJ fixed 3yrs.


I think I'm ok with the Natural Gas going on another 3yrs at $4.59. Not liking the huge uptick on the Electricity. Any ideas/comments (and justifications) on your thoughts on the electrical? (fixed or float, term length). Thx.

[DoubleK]

I'm seeing variable rate electricity at 7.5 cents on UCA helps. Probably getting closer to time to switch back to floating.