Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

The Canadian government is "assessing the damage" at a demolished water treatment plant and facility in Gaza that it built 25 years ago, while asking Israel for a full and independent investigation into what occurred, the country's international development minister says.

On Monday, Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz reported the country's army, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) was looking into the demolition. Haaretz's story cited unnamed army sources in saying the facility was destroyed with the approval of a military commander, but not with the approval of senior IDF officers.

In a statement, Israel's embassy in Canada told CBC News Canada's request for an investigation is still being processed and examined in Israel.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ott...281666?cmp=rss

Lemme guess, Hamas had tunnels under it. But no, Israel isn't systematically working to exterminate Palestinians. Nope. Not monsters at all. Please stop defending this stuff.

[Skootenbeeten]

https://x.com/idf/status/18189260994...OigU3_Knd-wAJQ


Sinwar must be ####ting his pants right about now. All his buddies are taking dirt naps.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Lemme guess, Hamas had tunnels under it.

Hamas drinks water. Palestine = Hamas. Boom goes the water plant.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

https://x.com/idf/status/18189260994...OigU3_Knd-wAJQ


Sinwar must be ####ting his pants right about now. All his buddies are taking dirt naps.

And this is the type of Israeli action I'm 100% behind. I don't care if someone else will pop up and take the place of these guys, make it damn scary to do so.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ott...281666?cmp=rss

Lemme guess, Hamas had tunnels under it. But no, Israel isn't systematically working to exterminate Palestinians. Nope. Not monsters at all. Please stop defending this stuff.

It's a war. Not a special service operation. Leaving the enemy without water in order to enforce surrender has been a war move since antiquity. And yes, war is hell.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's a war. Not a special service operation. Leaving the enemy without water in order to enforce surrender has been a war move since antiquity. And yes, war is hell.

Good ####ing lord man. Just unreal.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by activeStick

And that is the difference between all of the pro-Palestine supporters in this thread and the pro-Israel ones. Yes, we are approving of the assassination because we condemn Hamas (have done so from the very beginning of this mess) while also condemning Israel for their choice to hit back in the way they're doing so, leveling everything in Gaza and ensuring the Palestinian people starve to death. We do not approve (or "understand") why Israel has chosen to shoot down agencies trying to deliver aid to the innocent women and children in the region. We do not agree that what Israel is doing is the only option or necessary.

These things, among many others, is the difference between us and them (you).

Israel is, allegedly, doing horrible things, crime, killings and so on.

You: It's horrible, it must be stopped.
China, Russia, other countries: It's horrible, it must be stopped.

Israel kills a Hamas leader, making this world a better place.

You: Great news, now THIS I can support.
China, Russia, other countries: What a dangerous, treachery killing, we strongly condmen it!

You are consistent. They are not. Because Israel is an enemy for them. When Israel is doing something objectively horrible, they can take a high horse and look like guardians of humanity. When Israel is doing something good, they can't quite take a high horse so they simply condemn it.

The difference between you and me is that you are judging both parties against some moral standard. And you are generally consistent in your judgement, and this makes you feel like you are saying the right thing.

What you miss, is that this is a fight for survival. Palestinians declared the war on Israel on the very next day it was created. Israel hadn't really commit any atrocities at that point, yet Arab nations went to destroy it. They want to eliminate Israel just because it exists. Whether Israel is doing anything wrong is irrelevant. When Israel does bad things, Palestinians use it as justification to destroy Israel. When Israel is not doing anything wrong - they are still trying to destroy Israel, without much care about justification.

This creates a "them vs us" angle, as opposed to "watch down from a high horse and judge both sides equally and consistently".

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's a war. Not a special service operation. Leaving the enemy without water in order to enforce surrender has been a war move since antiquity. And yes, war is hell.

Dude, you are a ####ing moron. Cutting water off to a civilian population is a war crime.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good ####ing lord man. Just unreal.

Nothing unreal about it. You want us to fight the war against religious fanatics who want to destroy us, in white gloves. At the risk of us losing and getting destroyed. That's the risk I can't take. I'd rather win dirty against the dirtiest of the enemies, than see my family drawn in the sea.

And don't take it as if I don't understand that the war is horrible. It sure is.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Nothing unreal about it. You want us to fight the war against religious fanatics who want to destroy us, in white gloves. At the risk of us losing and getting destroyed. That's the risk I can't take. I'd rather win dirty against the dirtiest of the enemies, than see my family drawn in the sea.

And don't take it as if I don't understand that the war is horrible. It sure is.

Nah, what this is, is hate.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Dude, you are a ####ing moron. Cutting water off to a civilian population is a war crime.

We would have never done a war crime. Not a single one. If there was some kind of power, that could make sure that we won't fall victims of a war crime ourselves.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Israel is, allegedly, doing horrible things, crime, killings and so on.

You: It's horrible, it must be stopped.
China, Russia, other countries: It's horrible, it must be stopped.

Israel kills a Hamas leader, making this world a better place.

You: Great news, now THIS I can support.
China, Russia, other countries: What a dangerous, treachery killing, we strongly condmen it!

You are consistent. They are not. Because Israel is an enemy for them. When Israel is doing something objectively horrible, they can take a high horse and look like guardians of humanity. When Israel is doing something good, they can't quite take a high horse so they simply condemn it.

The difference between you and me is that you are judging both parties against some moral standard. And you are generally consistent in your judgement, and this makes you feel like you are saying the right thing.

What you miss, is that this is a fight for survival. Palestinians declared the war on Israel on the very next day it was created. Israel hadn't really commit any atrocities at that point, yet Arab nations went to destroy it. They want to eliminate Israel just because it exists. Whether Israel is doing anything wrong is irrelevant. When Israel does bad things, Palestinians use it as justification to destroy Israel. When Israel is not doing anything wrong - they are still trying to destroy Israel, without much care about justification.

This creates a "them vs us" angle, as opposed to "watch down from a high horse and judge both sides equally and consistently".

LOL, says the guy who hasn't heard of Nakba.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Nah, what this is, is hate.

Actually no. On personal level, I don't hate Gazans. I have never even seen one. If anything, I probably hate Russians, be because of impact of Russian-Ukraine war on my life. Besides Ukrainians, nobody hates Russians more than those Russians who left because of the war.

Back to Gazans, I really don't hate them at all. I'm just explaining what is happening and Israelis perspective.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL, says the guy who hasn't heard of Nakba.

Nakba happened because Palestinians wanted to prevent Israel state from forming and, the next day after it was formed, to destroy it. Pretty consistent with what I said.



On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain under international control administered by the United Nations. The Palestinian Arabs refused to recognize this arrangement, which they regarded as favorable to the Jews and unfair to the Arab population that would remain in Jewish territory under the partition. The United States sought a middle way by supporting the United Nations resolution, but also encouraging negotiations between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state

https://history.state.gov/milestones...ab-israeli-war.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's a war. Not a special service operation. Leaving the enemy without water in order to enforce surrender has been a war move since antiquity. And yes, war is hell.

You know these people think Israel shouldn't attack Hamas anymore because "Isreal have killed more people than Hamas killed!"


This is all a fad for them, outrage of the week. Total brain rot, for some reason Israel is not allowed to defend themselves in the middle of a war.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

You know these people think Israel shouldn't attack Hamas anymore because "Isreal have killed more people than Hamas killed!"


This is all a fad for them, outrage of the week. Total brain rot, for some reason Israel is not allowed to defend themselves in the middle of a war.

Says the guy who pretended to care about LGBTQ issues but couldn’t name even one he cared about outside Gaza and then dismissed the concerns of LGBTQ Palestinians and Israelis as “lies.”

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Sultan

Keep Pointman's name and family out of your mouth. You had no problem disregarding the rape of children and women and even supporting it if it is against Israel. But you talking about his family and attacking his right to save his family is over the line especially during that time. It is none of your ####ing business.

I dare you to attack Huntingwhale or his family or any other families on this site.

John Oliver was great. it was informative, not some whiny 14 year old laughing at people dying.

I am not a mod and they have no affiliation with me or you would have been banned, or i would have put your location as 'Does not care about children or women dying, as long as it isn't in the Gaza strip', as a first step.

Calm it down and keep other people families and struggles out of your mouth, you're obviously too stupid to understand.

How's that donation coming for having to put up with your hate and pettiness.

P.S. It wouldn't hurt for you to just say' sorry about that' to Pointman, 'i shouldn't have brought you and your family up'. It doesn't need to be public, but it would be a good gesture. I didn't agree with a lot of things that were said at that time. But you don't bring that up unless you were there.

lol, and who the fk are you?

Love when dudes like this flap around like lunatics because you can tell - in their own minds - they think they're the calm voice of reason laying down the law. Sorry, but you come off as super unhinged.

Keep posting, though. I love this stuff.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Actually no. On personal level, I don't hate Gazans. I have never even seen one....

...Back to Gazans, I really don't hate them at all

You are not even capable of being honest with yourself.

Originally Posted by Pointman

However, this is an eye opener for those, who believe that civilians are one thing and Hamas is another thing altogether. They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate.

Originally Posted by Pointman

The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.

[TheIronMaiden]

Yeah, that sounds like genocidal rhetoric.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Yeah, that sounds like genocidal rhetoric.

Ironically, dropping that stuff and saying “I’m just explaining the Israeli perspective” is probably the most awful thing anyone has said about Israeli civilians in this entire thread.