Jasper Evacuated due to wildfire

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

You'd be more accurate if you had just called it fire suppression and not throwing in the entire discipline of forest management under the bus.

I put both in my post because they go hand in hand.

[Street Pharmacist]

This argument always misses the forest for the trees (pun intended). The precise reason that fire suppression, Forest management and hardening infrastructure are so important now is.....


Climate change. It's the reason we have so much beetle kill. Sure, maybe we should log certain places, or not log certain places. It's completely delusional to say that Forest management is the problem when we've had the hottest driest weather in history 3 of the last 4 years. Yes, we need mitigation. But let's go ahead and be clear about what's happening here

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

This argument always misses the forest for the trees (pun intended). The precise reason that fire suppression, Forest management and hardening infrastructure are so important now is.....


Climate change. It's the reason we have so much beetle kill. Sure, maybe we should log certain places, or not log certain places. It's completely delusional to say that Forest management is the problem when we've had the hottest driest weather in history 3 of the last 4 years. Yes, we need mitigation. But let's go ahead and be clear about what's happening here

Yes it is the main cause, but there’s a complicated set of factors here. With forest management the end result is a massive of amount of very mature trees. At some point it became almost impossible to manage those trees. Pine beetle and climate change absolutely then accelerated the situation to the dangerous levels it was at.

[calgarygeologist]

In terms of pine beetle at least this seems promising for the near term in that the population has declined 98% since the peak in 2019.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...line-1.7076300

[GGG]

This past winter and the one 3 years ago pushed them along way back. The Jan 6 date on that article and them talking about unseasonable warmth right before two weeks of record cold is kind of funny

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Nitpick comment: Tsunamis and earthquakes will not become more prevalent.

Theoretically, earthquakes could increase, if the ice sheets melted at an accelerated rate. It’s called isostatic rebound and it’s one of the mechanisms behind why Buffalo, New York experiences small earthquakes.


https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/20...2018M/abstract

For an easy to read article on the phenomenon. Other studies have been conducted on increased volcanic activity after the last glaciation possibly suggesting isostatic control. However, it is difficult to know if it is a preservation problem. Glaciation might just wipe out evidence for volcanism.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...12821X09004166


edit: saw your post at the top of the page. I didn’t realize others also pointed this out. My bad!

[GioforPM]

My kids who both work at Glacier View Lodge have been called back to work. Not in the fire zone, but pretty darn close - air quality closed them down.

If you were planning a trip. that site is a good option. Go see the glacier while you can.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

In terms of pine beetle at least this seems promising for the near term in that the population has declined 98% since the peak in 2019.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...line-1.7076300

I wonder if there is a measure of standing deadfall from pine beetles. What is the lag period for fires and other methods to clear out all of the highly flammable wreckage from the 2019 peak? Are we close, or a long way to go?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

My kids who both work at Glacier View Lodge have been called back to work. Not in the fire zone, but pretty darn close - air quality closed them down.

If you were planning a trip. that site is a good option. Go see the glacier while you can.

....and it's gone.

[MoneyGuy]

Has the province’s fire fighting and forest management spending has been cut over the last several years?

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I wonder if there is a measure of standing deadfall from pine beetles. What is the lag period for fires and other methods to clear out all of the highly flammable wreckage from the 2019 peak? Are we close, or a long way to go?

Just going by memory but the areas of massive pine beetle kill (Prince George area) have not had a lot of fires in recent years. BC did log as much of that area as they possibly could while the wood still had some value but I'm not sure how much was taken and how much remains.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Just going by memory but the areas of massive pine beetle kill (Prince George area) have not had a lot of fires in recent years. BC did log as much of that area as they possibly could while the wood still had some value but I'm not sure how much was taken and how much remains.

You really have 3 seasons before it's worthless.

I've often wondered if they could fell the trees, or a portion of the trees, and then do controlled/prescribed burns. Rationale for knocking the fuels down is creating a surface fire that is easier to control than having to deal with candling of trees and the resulting embers creating spot fires.

[MoneyGuy]

I have no idea how this works. How do you do controlled burning when there are millions of trees over vast areas and fires can carry over several kilometres? How is this effective?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I have no idea how this works. How do you do controlled burning when there are millions of trees over vast areas and fires can carry over several kilometres? How is this effective?

You've never heard of or looked into these before? This National Geographic article gives a good introduction to how they work and why they use them.

https://education.nationalgeographic...olled-burning/

Before a controlled burn is lit, a plan—or prescription—is drawn up. This plan includes details on how big the fire will be, what it will burn, and what managers hope to accomplish with the fire. It also includes the weather and environmental conditions under which the fire will burn and any situations that might require the fire to be extinguished.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I have no idea how this works. How do you do controlled burning when there are millions of trees over vast areas and fires can carry over several kilometres? How is this effective?

https://parks.canada.ca/nature/scien...ige-prescribed

Here’s a brief starting point from parks Canada. The general idea is you burn forest in chunks to start the natural renewal process to avoid large out of control fires and a mono aged forest.

You put in fire breaks to limit the size of the fires.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You've never heard of or looked into these before? This National Geographic article gives a good introduction to how they work and why they use them.

https://education.nationalgeographic...olled-burning/

Grades 5-8

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GGG

Grades 5-8

I wasn't gonna tell him.

[BigThief]

You don't have a perfect life without some blissful ignorance.

[MoneyGuy]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1819943513364242733